Moving a jackpoint advice

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#270183 27-Apr-2020 15:12

I am trying to move a jackpoint box closer to the wire entry point at the wall. Unscrewed the cover then two screws off the wall. Then realised that the cable into the box was trapped, so this means I need to cut the cable and re-attach the blue and white wires to the jackpoint. I suspect I need a special tool to do this and am scared to do it in case I can’t finish the job and we don’t have a phone.

Can anyone give me some advice on how to attempt this and what tool I need. Am new at posting so unsure if the link I am giving will attach the photo which I may or may not have managed to upload.

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#2472123 27-Apr-2020 15:20

You need a krone tool - and be careful punching the cables back in, too much force will break the jackpoint. You can buy a replacement jackpoint if needed from the likes of Mitre10, hammer hardware...maybe pbtech via computer dynamics

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#2472211 27-Apr-2020 16:45

Thank you! I suspected as much. Is there a video or example of how to do it anywhere? Wondering where to find one of these tools. I might ask in neighbourly if anyone has one once I feel confident I can do it. Am a bit nervous since it means we would be cut off from a phone.

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#2472220 27-Apr-2020 16:52

Eva888: Thank you! I suspected as much. Is there a video or example of how to do it anywhere? Wondering where to find one of these tools. I might ask in neighbourly if anyone has one once I feel confident I can do it. Am a bit nervous since it means we would be cut off from a phone.

No problem :)

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/TOLHAN0007/HANLONG-Krone--110-Punch-Down-Tool-Professional-Se PB Tech sell one. You can get cheaper ones usually from hardware stores that are just an insert tool but they don't clip the ends of the cores. Don't use a knife whatever you do to insert the cables - makes a mess and the pins tend not to grab because the slots get widened too much.

As you're moving the socket, here's a full video on installing a new socket. Obviously the cable is already there for you to use:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tj4qKG5KPs

About 5:14 in you will see the use of the krone tool

Ignore the talk about cable colours, you're using the blue/blue-white pair. Middle pin on each side if it's an M or E socket (very old), or if it's a standard 2 wire socket you can use any of the 3 terminals for the blue on one side and the blue-white on the other

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#2472221 27-Apr-2020 16:52

I’m not allowed to post links but I found one on Jaycar called a punch down tool. I think that may be the same thing but unsure.

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#2472222 27-Apr-2020 17:00

snnet:
Eva888: Thank you! I suspected as much. Is there a video or example of how to do it anywhere? Wondering where to find one of these tools. I might ask in neighbourly if anyone has one once I feel confident I can do it. Am a bit nervous since it means we would be cut off from a phone.

No problem :)

https://www.pbtech.co.nz/product/TOLHAN0007/HANLONG-Krone--110-Punch-Down-Tool-Professional-Se PB Tech sell one. You can get cheaper ones usually from hardware stores that are just an insert tool but they don't clip the ends of the cores. Don't use a knife whatever you do to insert the cables - makes a mess and the pins tend not to grab because the slots get widened too much.

As you're moving the socket, here's a full video on installing a new socket. Obviously the cable is already there for you to use:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tj4qKG5KPs

That’s so kind of you. I tried looking for a video but didn’t know the right terminology to get it right.
Am a bit nervous having never used such a tool before. Mr Eva is throwing his hands up in despair that I’ve decided to move the thing, but am sick of the phone wire draped across the coffee table when I can have it hidden.

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#2472225 27-Apr-2020 17:01

Eva888: I’m not allowed to post links but I found one on Jaycar called a punch down tool. I think that may be the same thing but unsure.

Are you talking about:

https://www.jaycar.co.nz/cat-5-punch-down-tool-stripper-low-cost/p/TH1738

https://www.jaycar.co.nz/cat-5-punch-down-tool-adjustable/p/TH1740

Either will do the job, the first one will not snip the ends of the wire in the terminal though. This can cause issues with noise on the line / poorer connection to broadband if no master filter is installed or if it is used for the modem (if a splitter is installed)

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#2472228 27-Apr-2020 17:14

Yes it was the first one I was thinking of. For sure I don’t want noise, so had better buy the one that cuts assuming they do online. This is far more complicated than I thought, but...interesting to learn. Thanks

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#2472233 27-Apr-2020 17:25

snnet:
Eva888: I’m not allowed to post links but I found one on Jaycar called a punch down tool. I think that may be the same thing but unsure.

Are you talking about:

https://www.jaycar.co.nz/cat-5-punch-down-tool-stripper-low-cost/p/TH1738

or

https://www.jaycar.co.nz/cat-5-punch-down-tool-adjustable/p/TH1740

Either will do the job, the first one will not snip the ends of the wire in the terminal though. This can cause issues with noise on the line / poorer connection to broadband if no master filter is installed or if it is used for the modem (if a splitter is installed)

Does this tool sound OK... had to copy paste as not allowed to link. Found on trade me so a lot cheaper for a one time use.

Size - Approximately~~
180mm

~~Feature~~
> Terminates cable into patch panels and keystone jacks with Krone IDC terminations
> Spring-loaded reversible blade with scissors cuts excess wire automatically for a clean connection
> Pop-out hook and extractor tool for removing old wires or pushing down wires
> Integrated wire-stripper blade seated in the body of the tool with protective guide
> Compatible with Cat5 cable, Cat5E cable, Cat6 cable, and Cat6a cable

PACKAGE CONTENTS:
1 x Punch down tool

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#2472235 27-Apr-2020 17:27

Argh! How did that turn into a blue link. Still learning how to post on here.

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#2472236 27-Apr-2020 17:30

That tool sounds fine yes, it has the scissors to cut the excess cable

What area are you in? I'm heading back to work tomorrow (electrician) and have all the tools on board if you're close to my working areas? I work mostly North Shore (Auckland), live north-west

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#2472241 27-Apr-2020 17:39

Wellington, but thanks for the offer. Sorry it takes me a while to respond as still figuring out how to find my posts. I will order the one from trade me and hope it’s not the one that makes noise happen. Many thanks.

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#2472244 27-Apr-2020 17:43

Eva888: Wellington, but thanks for the offer. Sorry it takes me a while to respond as still figuring out how to find my posts. I will order the one from trade me and hope it’s not the one that makes noise happen. Many thanks.

Ah, Ok

The tool described sounds fine for the job

Just pay attention to the scissors on it, you want to cut it obviously after it goes thru the terminal (you'll see what I mean by the video or when the tool arrives) - if it has a setting on it for hard impact or soft, go with soft for these jackpoints :)

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#2472260 27-Apr-2020 18:02

Will hunker down and watch the video after I order the tool. Will attempt this when husband is not around panicking. He’s 78 and totally not tech savvy. I’m 71 and enjoy the challenge and learning new things. Many Thanks for your time.

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#2472319 27-Apr-2020 18:58

Eva I'm in Welly if you want help moving out or fixing it

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#2472423 27-Apr-2020 20:54

Thank you. I want to give it a try myself since ordering the tool. If I fail...good to know there is someone out there to fix the damage.

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