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#303355 3-Feb-2023 21:13
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Hi all, we have R80 recessed lights in our home. How easy is it to replace these with LED units, and is it something you’re allowed to do yourself or have to have an electrician do it?

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  #3031540 3-Feb-2023 21:40
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We replaced all of our R80 bulbs with Philips 9w e27 800 lumen r80 warm white LED's a few years ago. No changes required to light fittings - just unscrewed the old bulbs and screwed in the new LEDs. They fit nicely and provide equivalent light output.




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  #3031553 3-Feb-2023 22:13
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Yeah am definitely aware of that option but I do prefer the cleaner look of the sealed unit.

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  #3031557 3-Feb-2023 22:26
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You are permitted to replace light fittings in your own home. Whether or not you are competent to do so is another story.

 

Being permitted to do something doesn't mean you have no liability if things go wrong. You are also required to follow the electrical code of practice and perform all relevant tests.

 

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2010/0036/latest/whole.html#DLM2763688

 

Replacing the existing lights could be very straightforward or could be a complete pain in the backside. It's usually a straightforward job.

 

It depends on how easy it is to access the ceiling, how the existing lights are installed and what fitting you replace it with. There can be significant insulation benefits but you need to make sure you use the correct type of fittings and check them impact on potentially derating the TPS.




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  #3031585 4-Feb-2023 08:16
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Hopefully the opening is a suitable diameter for swap in leds. You will also need units with a driver - internal or external. I’d probably say internal if you had R80s.

For wiring I’d get some WAGO terminals from JayCar etc. they are much easier and safer than twist ties or screw blocks.

I swapped out some dumb leds with smart leds this way.

Also a suggestion, get spares if you aren’t getting a very common model/brand. We’ve had several fail after 5 years.

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  #3031586 4-Feb-2023 08:26
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Any particular reason for replacing the downlight with LED versus just installing LED bulbs?

 

If it's because of how they look, I just repainted 10 R600 downlights with another 21 left to do. Assuming the R80 is like the R600, you can just remove the reflector, strip the paint, mask, repaint and reinstall. I powder coated mine, but I don't think they were powder coated from the factory.


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  #3031649 4-Feb-2023 09:41
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I've been thinking the same, but largely to stop the heat from going to/from the roof cavity. That and to stop bugs, and to match the rest of the house.

Repainting them all to a high quality sounds like a lot of work!

 
 
 
 

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  #3031658 4-Feb-2023 10:24
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You need to measure the size of the ceiling cut-outs and see what you can find that will fit.

 

Replacing them is not necessarily difficult, but I found it quite difficult to get some lights that fitted in the hole properly (unless you want to re plaster your ceiling).

 

You will also have to decide on the colour of the new lights.

 

Usually different colours, Yellow (like an incandescent bulb), through to very harsh white. That is denoted by the colour rating in K - do you homework and maybe buy a couple of fittings in different colours to see what you prefer.

 

Also, look for the moisture/dust rating: https://www.flexfireleds.com/led-ip-ratings-led-flex-strip-waterproofing-explained-waterproof-v-nonwaterproof-led-strip-lights/

 

They are going in the ceiling and you likely want  to make sure they are able to be covered by insulation. Some cant be covered and some need clearance from wooden timber etc.

 

This has info on the covering/clearance details: https://www.buildmagazine.org.nz/index.php/articles/show/tucking-up-downlights

 

If you have loose insulfluf insulation, you would need to remove the insulfluf from around the fitting (say .5m radius) and pop some Pink Bats or similar around/over the fitting to keep the potential fine dust away from the new lights.

 

None of this is that difficult, but you do need  to do a little homework and planning.





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  #3031698 4-Feb-2023 12:18
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steve98: Yeah am definitely aware of that option but I do prefer the cleaner look of the sealed unit.

 

good move. sealed units are a must and you want them to fit nice and flush ie sealed to the ceiling. one of the biggest improvements in the last 40 years is getting rid of those air leaky downlights. the amount of heat wasted due to the air gaps is absolutely huge. you will gain more in reduced heating bills than in reduction of lighting costs.


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  #3031699 4-Feb-2023 12:20
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We replaced all the R80 downlight fittings with fittings designed specifically for LED bulbs.  We contracted an electrician to do this.

 

The major reason for this is that the old fittings included ventilation slots to flag away the heat from incandescent bulbs.  This meant insects could access the house from the ceiling cavity and there was a moderate fire risk with older insulation based on paper fill, which is pulled back from each fitting, reducing the effectiveness of said insulation.  The new fittings are sealed units and insulation can be laid directly over the top.  Bulbs and power supplies on each light are both replaceable.  We have dimmers on some fittings.





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  #3031722 4-Feb-2023 13:09
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Most LEDs will have a plug on them, that you have to keep in place for warranty to be maintained. So you will need to put sockets on the wires to plug the lamp into.

 

This is probably the one place that cheap ones are OK to use since it will be low load and never connected and disconnected once installed. A friend got a whole lot from trade depot to do their house when swapping out to tuya based downlights from kmart. They had decent sized terminals and worked fine.

 

Some downlights have a tail from them and a little terminal box on them.

 

Whatever you do, do not get any that have 2 pathetic little terminals on the lamp with a tiny cover as you will not be able to get 2 or 3 pieces of 1.5mm into it and would have to start extending and adding boxes, and that wouldnt be a like for like swap.

 

This assumes that your wiring is all good and has the earth connected up, and was not done by a cowboy.





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  #3031743 4-Feb-2023 14:11
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jayemm:

We replaced all of our R80 bulbs with Philips 9w e27 800 lumen r80 warm white LED's a few years ago. No changes required to light fittings - just unscrewed the old bulbs and screwed in the new LEDs. They fit nicely and provide equivalent light output.

 

 

Just be aware that if you're putting them in something like recessed downlights in a ceiling covered with insulation than the incandescent-light-bulb form factor is close to the pathologically worst way you can package hot-running LEDs. If you're going to to to the expense of replacing a lot of them, put in sealed units with giant ICF-rated radiators on the back so you won't have to worry about the COBs or capacitors running them cooking themselves after a year or two.

 
 
 

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  #3031765 4-Feb-2023 15:19
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We're slowly replacing our r80 with the units below.  They are designed for retrofit but we still end up with a small ring that we need to repaint but they fit the hole which a lot of new ones won't as old downlights had massive holes.   We had gone around and replaced all the r80 bulbs with led versions but these look nicer and also make better light IMHO.  

 

Job is simple (but I am certainly not an electrician), turn off power, pop old unit out.  See what dead stuff/crap falls on you.  Unscrew wires.  These don't need the ground wire as they are plastic (there is no place to put the ground wire on the new unit anyway).  I just terminated the ground wire in a terminal block.  Wire the new ones on, choose light temp colour and then put back in.  This is the most difficult part managing the spring wires that hold it in place.  Then have beer and admire handiwork!

 

 

 


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  #3031888 4-Feb-2023 19:21
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richms:

This assumes that your wiring is all good and has the earth connected up, and was not done by a cowboy.



This is an interesting comment. Our place is relatively new and while there is a earth (on the wire) it is not connected to the LED driver. The drivers only have live & neutral. The smart ones I replaced some with also did not have an earth.

Also speaking of drivers, regarding my comment about getting spares, when I purchased some spares the manufacturer had updated the driver and the connector between the led and driver was different. So even in the case of a driver/led failure there may not be compatibility even with the same brand model.

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  #3031903 4-Feb-2023 19:53
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tchart: Also speaking of drivers, regarding my comment about getting spares, when I purchased some spares the manufacturer had updated the driver and the connector between the led and driver was different. So even in the case of a driver/led failure there may not be compatibility even with the same brand model.

 

 

Also when you get replacements they'll have used slightly different COBs so the colour temperature won't be the same. If you're getting LED downlights, either get one or two more or plan ahead with some in a room where you can swap the ones in there out into another area mixed in with other LEDs without the light difference being too noticeable.

 

 

Edited to add: That may be a bit unclear, let's say you have two rooms one with six downlights A+A+A+A+A+A and one with two, A+A. One of the six in the A+A+A+A+A+A set fails and you'd need to replace it with whatever's available then, B, to get A+B+A+A+A+A. Instead, take one of the ones in the A+A set out and replace it so the original set stays A+A+A+A+A+A, then replace the A+A set with two new ones, B+B.

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  #3031978 4-Feb-2023 21:07
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richms:

Most LEDs will have a plug on them, that you have to keep in place for warranty to be maintained. So you will need to put sockets on the wires to plug the lamp into.




Hm, seem to recall, you aren't actually legally allowed to create your own power outlets.
Pretty sure that is classed as something only a licenced electrician can do.

Feel free to prove me wrong, but this was discussed on GZ a couple of years ago as I recall.




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