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#310842 26-Nov-2023 14:14
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There's a thread posted here a few years ago about Zigbee light switches: NZ Zigbee switch options

 

I've got a similar question but I thought it would be better to start a new thread rather than revive a dead one.

 

I would like to replace the dumb light switches in the house with smart ones.  I did a few and I feel it's the sort of thing where you get more value the more you do.  I just went around the house and I counted 27 light switches so I started shopping, and found very little.  That's what lead me to the old thread.

 

I really liked the sound of the witch with presence sensing.  Being able to set an automation that lights don't automatically turn off if there's a person detected sounds like a significant improvement: https://inovelli.com/products/zigbee-matter-blue-series-mmwave-presence-sensor-smart-switch

 

The attitude in the old thread seemed to be mostly 'use WiFi' so I'll address that.  I could use WiFi.  I'm hesitant for two reasons:

 

     

  1. My WiFi network is going pretty well finally after years of problems.  I've already got a fair number of devices and adding an extra 27 (light switches) feels like asking for trouble. 
  2. I small number of (battery) zigbee devices that struggle to talk because of range (fire alarm, leak detector, window open sensor).  I'd like more but to do more I'll need a robust Zigbee mesh network.  I have light switches throughout the house, so it would be a natural and easy way to create the mesh.
  3. I do not want to use cloud - I'm using HomeAssistant.  And almost all of the wifi ones are cloud based.

 

Maybe I'm dreaming.  The other idea I had was to grab one of the giveaway routers I've got gathering dust and set up a separate 2.4GHz network for IoT devices.  27 light switches, plus a few cameras, maybe that would work better?

 

Thoughts?

 

Is there a company selling affordable quality zigbee light switches in NZ? Could I import them without running afoul of regulations and risking my insurance? Would I be better forgetting Zigbee and sticking with WiFi even in late 2023?

 

 

 

PS: I looked at Matter/Thread but it seems there's just about nothing there.

 

 

 

 


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  #3164024 26-Nov-2023 14:20
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I'm about to fill my new build with PDL Iconic, with the Wiser Zigbee switches. I chose them because they were available in NZ, and although the sparky had no idea what they were he had no problem sourcing them.

 

PDL Wiser Smart Home

 

Downside is that they were horrifically expensive - so, I've only used them in select switches. But, because they're interchangeable with the regular Iconic switches I can swap any others out as I like.

 

Edit for presence - plan is to manage them with Home Assistant and use the Aqara FP2 for presence. A very expensive option, but I'll be using the FP2 for other things as well (Alarm etc).





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  #3164363 27-Nov-2023 10:55
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I have 100s of 2.4GHz smart devices and the network is rock solid reliable on my unifi AP's - all your other gear that uses a lot of data will be on 5GHz so the 2.4 can slow to a crawl and smart home stuff will still work fine because its payload is generally very small, the low speeds dont make it have any more latency except when you make a group of 70 wifi lightbulbs and try to control them all at the same time.





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  #3164475 27-Nov-2023 16:09
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Chippo:

 

I'm about to fill my new build with PDL Iconic, with the Wiser Zigbee switches. I chose them because they were available in NZ, and although the sparky had no idea what they were he had no problem sourcing them.

 

PDL Wiser Smart Home

 

Downside is that they were horrifically expensive - so, I've only used them in select switches. But, because they're interchangeable with the regular Iconic switches I can swap any others out as I like.

 

Edit for presence - plan is to manage them with Home Assistant and use the Aqara FP2 for presence. A very expensive option, but I'll be using the FP2 for other things as well (Alarm etc).

 

 

This matches my research too. There are not many options available here in NZ, unlike in the US where you see heaps of brands being reviewed by YouTubers. And yes - the PDL Wiser switches are all very expensive.

 

Question for @chippo - did you use the Wiser hub or did you integrate with a 3rd party hub or Home Assistant?




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  #3164483 27-Nov-2023 16:28
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I've installed PDL Wiser in my new build for a number of lights, with plans to slowly add the modules to the rest of the switches (plenty of other new home things to spend on at the moment). They work fine, and I opted not to go with the official Wiser zigbee hub. Instead, I have them all connected to my Home Assistant install with a connected zigbee dongle. The downside to this is you lose access to firmware updates but I don't see that as a big deal.





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  #3164541 27-Nov-2023 17:40
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amanzi:

 

Question for @chippo - did you use the Wiser hub or did you integrate with a 3rd party hub or Home Assistant?

 



I have Home Assistant Yellow as my Zigbee coordinator.





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  #3164902 28-Nov-2023 10:02
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networkn:

 

 

 

So after 11 seasons, the Walking Dead finished for me last night. I really felt like the whole of the final season was totally incoherent, even though I did enjoy some elements of it. Not enough storylines were tied up, all part of splitting off into the WD Universe. I am not sure how that's going to work out. 

 

 

 

I am glad I saw it through to the end, it was a worthwhile series. 

 

 

 

Norman Reedus, Josh McDermitt, and Jeffrey Dean Morgan were standout performers for me.

 

 

I think you might have the wrong thread 😉





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  #3167089 2-Dec-2023 10:52
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Morning, we're also looking at wiser for some of our new switches.

 

 

 

Does anyone know if you can set them up to always be on (for smart bulbs - i.e. not change the relay state) but have the button press fire a zigbee message so you can have HA turn the bulbs off?

 

 

 

Or if there's a better way to do it, like with a momentary button and some shelley device

 

 

 

Cheers




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  #3167093 2-Dec-2023 11:08
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Horsefight:

 

Morning, we're also looking at wiser for some of our new switches.

 

 

 

Does anyone know if you can set them up to always be on (for smart bulbs - i.e. not change the relay state) but have the button press fire a zigbee message so you can have HA turn the bulbs off?

 

 

 

Or if there's a better way to do it, like with a momentary button and some shelley device

 

 

 

Cheers

 

 

Check out this video for some useful info about managing smart bulbs and smart switches. Might help you figure out how achieve what you want: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYjAnTbYelg

 

 


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Thanks, yeah, I've got some LifX switches we're testing which do have the ability to change the relay mode, but they're not necessarily the best for a whole house (especially around the code for wet areas).

 

 

 

So I was specifically wondering specifically if the wiser ones could be set to act similarly (always on but register presses), or if there was something I could do that would fit into the PDL Iconic range nicely


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  #3167184 2-Dec-2023 15:13
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As far as I've seen, there is no ability to control the relay mode on the Wiser modules. I only have the dimmer modules, though.

 

You would probably have to get a non-wiser Iconic switch and then use a Shelly device instead if you want the Iconic look.





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  #3167225 2-Dec-2023 16:50
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Awesome, thanks. Good to know either way


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