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meeslef

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#311487 19-Jan-2024 23:15
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Hey there, 

 

 

 

I have a shelley 1pm that i intend to use to control some lights.

 

 

 

I've read through the ECP 51 and come up with 

 

 

 

Install, extend, and alter subcircuits (including submains), provided that– 

 

(i) The person must not enter (whether personally, by holding any material or equipment, or otherwise) any enclosure where live active wires are likely to be present; and

 

(ii) The work is tested by a registered electrical inspector, in accordance with NZS 3019, and the work is certified by that inspector in accordance with regulation 39, before being connected to a supply of electricity by such an inspector. (2) A person who carries out work pursuant to section 110 of the Act must carry out the work in accordance with the requirements of ECP 51.

 

 

 

To fit the shelley device I would likely need to make small modifications to the existing wiring bundle that goes to the switch ie. add a wire from loop to neutral on the shelley and add wires to / from the switched input on the shelley.

 

Is this considered "altering a subcircuit" or can I legally do this in my own home without getting it inspected?

 

Apologise if this is asked and answered somewhere, my google searches didn't turn up anything 

 

 

 

NB. I consider myself competent to make these changes, have relevant experience and equipment.

 

 

 

Cheers


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boosacnoodle
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  #3184308 20-Jan-2024 08:04
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B is quite clear. Unless it's like for like, you need an inspection.




meeslef

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  #3184321 20-Jan-2024 09:04
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Cheers, that was my assumption.

 

 

 

Now to see if I can lure in a sparky to do a 30 second job with a box of beers.. :)


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  #3184322 20-Jan-2024 09:05
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You arent "Installing, extending, and altering subcircuits"?

 

https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2010/0036/latest/DLM2763688.html?search=ts_regulation_Electricity_resel&p=1

 

However you arent also "removing and replacing" as per 57(3)(d)

 

 

 

 




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  #3184365 20-Jan-2024 11:32
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You can direct replace a power outlet or switch, but i would consider this adding to the circuit.

 

Then there is entering an enclosure where live wiring might be present, the flush box is an enclosure.

 

I imagine any insurance company would make any argument they could think of to not pay out if anything burns.

 

 

 

You are best to wait until you have a few things to fix and get a sparky in.

 

I have seen a fair amount of self proclaimed "competent" homeowners work that is terrible quality and bordering on unsafe.


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  #3184414 20-Jan-2024 14:35
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Daynger:

 

Then there is entering an enclosure where live wiring might be present, the flush box is an enclosure.

 

I imagine any insurance company would make any argument they could think of to not pay out if anything burns.

 

 

The same applies to any fitting. The answer is switching off the ciruit breaker.

 

Imagine the savings to insurance companies if motor vehicle insurance was voided for all infringements.


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  #3184804 21-Jan-2024 16:19
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Bung:

 

Daynger:

 

Then there is entering an enclosure where live wiring might be present, the flush box is an enclosure.

 

I imagine any insurance company would make any argument they could think of to not pay out if anything burns.

 

 

The same applies to any fitting. The answer is switching off the ciruit breaker.

 

Imagine the savings to insurance companies if motor vehicle insurance was voided for all infringements.

 

 

 

 

How are you going to test there are no live connections in the flush box without entering the flush box to test?

 

Its not that uncommon to have more than one source in a flush box, especially with 2ways fed from far end switches and whatnot.

 

I guess main switch off, but i have seen them fail in where you switch the main switch off but it doesnt actually switch off the power, rare, but it does happen.


 
 
 
 

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BadCo
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  #3184867 21-Jan-2024 18:37
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A way around this would be using a smart switch so it is a like-for-like swap :)

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