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#318509 25-Jan-2025 02:49
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As part of the move to the Konnected I've got to remove the EOL resistors from the smoke alarms and possibly redo them from NC to NO, however I can't get them out of the recessed base they're in.  The smoke alarms are NB338s in FMR100 bases, see the photos below, they're supposed to unclip from the base (held inside the FMR100) if you turn them but they're absolutely locked in place, they won't budge even a fraction of a mm.  Does anyone know how to get these things out?

 

 


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  #3335479 25-Jan-2025 08:16
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hi

 

 

 

Grab the base and the smoke detector and twist it out, the 2 symbols on the base is lock and unlock 




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  #3335586 25-Jan-2025 12:47
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technician14:

 

Grab the base and the smoke detector and twist it out, the 2 symbols on the base is lock and unlock 

 

 

 

 

See the bit in my post about "won't budge a fraction of a mm", in either direction, lock or unlock. Is there some trick to doing this, a hidden tab you have to push down on? 


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  #3335658 25-Jan-2025 14:53
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The base of the detector is screwed to the recess kit, the head turns about 5degrees from the base anticlockwise.

 

Hold the outer ring and turn the centre bit. if its truely stuck give it a few whacks on the back to shock it and hopefully that gets it unstuck.

 

 




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  #3335663 25-Jan-2025 15:14
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it looks like its sticking out on one side, which is probably jamming it and stopping it from rotating. try pushing the unit back into the holder and get the sides level before twisting.


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  #3335730 25-Jan-2025 17:04
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It's just a bad design, you've got a galvo metal clip holding a galvo metal tab, which binds up and locks it in place.  I dripped CRC 5-56 into all four connectors, waited about ten minutes for it to soak in, then used a screwdriver as a pry bar against one of the metal tabs and it eventually shifted.

 

I re-cleaned the contacts with meths and hit them with DeOxit, hopefully it'll come out more easily in the future.

 

However now even with the wiring exposed for checking I still couldn't get a signal back to the alarm.  None of the wires showed continuity back to the alarm panel... and this is why:

 

 

The text is a bit hard to read from the photo but it says "Smoke - Living".  They'd wired the smoke sensor in the location most likely to have a fire to a dead circuit.  Unfknblvbl.

 

If I hadn't run a magnet test on it when wiring it to the Konnected I'd never have known that the whole house could burn down without the sensor providing any warning.  So if you've got wired smoke sensors, run a magnet test on them to make sure they're actually working.


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  #3336087 26-Jan-2025 19:17
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Or just use test smoke.....

 

But yes, looks like someone didnt test their install.

 

 


 
 
 

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  #3339357 4-Feb-2025 22:12
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It's stuck in round 75% locked on mark, to the ceiling base the big line is full locked and little line is unlocked, on the outline of the smoke detector inline with the led is a small 1mm bit to tell you where it is to the ceiling base, the 2 screws you see behind are the 2 screw holding the smoke detector to the ceiling base it's holding together both the smoke detector is on 2 pieces, it's 3 pieces in the 2 photos smoke detector, base of smoke detector and ceiling holder, there's a line on the smoke detector and base that says it's locked fully and turn it to unlocked each part


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  #3339376 5-Feb-2025 05:18
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technician14:

 

It's stuck in round 75% locked on mark, to the ceiling base the big line is full locked and little line is unlocked, on the outline of the smoke detector inline with the led is a small 1mm bit to tell you where it is to the ceiling base, the 2 screws you see behind are the 2 screw holding the smoke detector to the ceiling base it's holding together both the smoke detector is on 2 pieces, it's 3 pieces in the 2 photos smoke detector, base of smoke detector and ceiling holder, there's a line on the smoke detector and base that says it's locked fully and turn it to unlocked each part

 



 

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  #3339634 5-Feb-2025 15:13
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It's OK, I managed to get it out anyway, see my previous post.  OTOH I'm not going to bother doing the other three with this amount of hassle involved, the alarm input doesn't seem to be bothered by the EOL resistors in them and they've all tested OK for functionality.


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