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#705757 24-Oct-2012 15:43

Jaxson:

I did preface by saying I'm usually wrong about these things :)

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#705758 24-Oct-2012 15:43

jonherries: Hmmm pricing is interesting. Nexus 7 for $399 (Dick Smith) and ipad mini for $479.

I guess the choice will depend on the ecosystem in terms of sunk cost and availability...?

Makes it a much harder decision than I thought it would be.

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It may also come down to size. The iPad Mini is 7.9", which is measured diagonally and therefore makes it quite a bit bigger than the Nexus 7 and other 7" tablets. Gizmodo touch on this, and according to their calculations this gives the iPad Mini 35% more screen real-estate than its 7" rivals.

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#705765 24-Oct-2012 15:55

Yatey: I feel so let down with the announcement of the newER iPad this morning. Around six months ago I bought my iPad 3, and the 4th generation one is already here? Even though the new model isn't a dramatic upgrade in terms of functionality from the 3 (not enough for me to upgrade), I am still disappointed. I never thought being an early adopter of an Apple product would end up like this.

I can't see why. Nothing has changed to your iPad apart from a choice if you want it with the newer one. If you we're looking forward to a newer iPad in 6 months, you can still do that, or sooner, or wait a tad for the next one. Choices.

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#705768 24-Oct-2012 16:03

tdgeek:
Yatey: I feel so let down with the announcement of the newER iPad this morning. Around six months ago I bought my iPad 3, and the 4th generation one is already here? Even though the new model isn't a dramatic upgrade in terms of functionality from the 3 (not enough for me to upgrade), I am still disappointed. I never thought being an early adopter of an Apple product would end up like this.

I can't see why. Nothing has changed to your iPad apart from a choice if you want it with the newer one. If you we're looking forward to a newer iPad in 6 months, you can still do that, or sooner, or wait a tad for the next one. Choices.

They are basing their reaction on being an apple consumer, and the fact that historically apple take at least a year to update product versions. Apple buyers like this because it does help protect the value of the product when it comes to upgrade it. This is partly the reason I think older iphone models quite valuable compared to other brands. This update to the ipad after just a few months is quite a new thing for apple, and I think they have done it to protect their full ipad sales, as the full sized ipad is a lot better in terms of specs than the ipad mini, so should last a lot longer in terms of IOS updates. So I too would also feel a bit disappointed by apple for doing that, as I think it does devalue the second hand value of ipad 3 . eg If you normally upgrade annually, and you planned on selling it to upgrade prior to the next expected release date next year, then you are not going to get anywhere near as much for your second hand ipad 3. But don't apple have a refund policy that if you buy within 30 days and they upgrade a product, that they will switch it for the newer product?. Or perhaps that is only in the US.

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#705774 24-Oct-2012 16:11

mattwnz:
tdgeek:
Yatey: I feel so let down with the announcement of the newER iPad this morning. Around six months ago I bought my iPad 3, and the 4th generation one is already here? Even though the new model isn't a dramatic upgrade in terms of functionality from the 3 (not enough for me to upgrade), I am still disappointed. I never thought being an early adopter of an Apple product would end up like this.

I can't see why. Nothing has changed to your iPad apart from a choice if you want it with the newer one. If you we're looking forward to a newer iPad in 6 months, you can still do that, or sooner, or wait a tad for the next one. Choices.

They are basing their reaction on being an apple consumer, and the fact that historically apple take at least a year to update product versions. Apple buyers like this because it does help protect the value of the product when it comes to upgrade it. This is partly the reason I think older iphone models quite valuable compared to other brands. This update to the ipad after just a few months is quite a new thing for apple, and I think they have done it to protect their full ipad sales, as the full sized ipad is a lot better in terms of specs than the ipad mini, so should last a lot longer in terms of IOS updates. So I too would also feel a bit disappointed by apple for doing that, as I think it does devalue the second hand value of ipad 3 . eg If you normally upgrade annually, and you planned on selling it to upgrade prior to the next expected release date next year, then you are not going to get anywhere near as much for your second hand ipad 3. But don't apple have a refund policy that if you buy within 30 days and they upgrade a product, that they will switch it for the newer product?. Or perhaps that is only in the US.

Understand that, but it adds choice. Choice was iPad 3 and iPad 4 in 6 months. Now it's iPad 3 or 4 now, 5 in 6 months. So if you were intending on the iPad 4 in 6 months you still can. Or 5. Resale isn't too much an issue, they hold value well, especially if you have a non current version, I.e. one that cannot be bought, those with higher GB

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#705784 24-Oct-2012 16:16

mattwnz:
gehenna: I can't see a big consumer uptake but I'm usually wrong about these things. I can see this has being huge for education though, especially for the younger ones who struggle with the size of the iPad.

I see a big possible uptake, but mainly for the cheapest model as it will be an excellent gaming device for kids.

I agree 100%. $479 for a 16GB iPad makes it a viable kids gift, even an extra device for some. A great option instead of iPod Touch

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#705792 24-Oct-2012 16:33

tdgeek:
mattwnz:
gehenna: I can't see a big consumer uptake but I'm usually wrong about these things. I can see this has being huge for education though, especially for the younger ones who struggle with the size of the iPad.

I see a big possible uptake, but mainly for the cheapest model as it will be an excellent gaming device for kids.

I agree 100%. $479 for a 16GB iPad makes it a viable kids gift, even an extra device for some. A great option instead of iPod Touch

I agree with this, I think the iPad mini may well hurt sales of the iPod touch. I can see schools using them a lot also.

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#705797 24-Oct-2012 16:41

tdgeek:
mattwnz:
gehenna: I can't see a big consumer uptake but I'm usually wrong about these things. I can see this has being huge for education though, especially for the younger ones who struggle with the size of the iPad.

I see a big possible uptake, but mainly for the cheapest model as it will be an excellent gaming device for kids.

I agree 100%. $479 for a 16GB iPad makes it a viable kids gift, even an extra device for some. A great option instead of iPod Touch

I think they have made a major error with their ipod touch pricing in NZ, being only $10 less than the ipad mini. I thought when it came out that it seemed very high. I don't know who will buy an ipod touch, even though you can fit it in your pocket,it doesn't have 3g access, so not that portable. If the ipad mini is $US329 in the US, and the ipod touch is $US299, the ipod touch in NZ should only be around $NZ399-$420. I think they will have to drop the price pretty soon. I am pretty sure the previous gen ipod touch when it was the current model was only $NZ399 for main 16GB model. This could be the end of the ipod touch I think, unless they introduce a 3G model for data.

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#705801 24-Oct-2012 16:45

tdgeek:Now it's iPad 3 or 4 now, 5 in 6 months. So if you were intending on the iPad 4 in 6 months you still can. Or 5. Resale isn't too much an issue, they hold value well, especially if you have a non current version, I.e. one that cannot be bought, those with higher GB

I don't think we will see a ipad 5 in 6 months. Infact I think they may entend it out to 18 months for the next upgrade, because what can they really do to it to upgrade it hardware wise... I predict the ipad 5 will have a smaller bezel and will be thinner, with an 8MP camera, with the A7 chip.

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#705803 24-Oct-2012 16:47

trig42:
tdgeek:
mattwnz:
gehenna: I can't see a big consumer uptake but I'm usually wrong about these things. I can see this has being huge for education though, especially for the younger ones who struggle with the size of the iPad.

I see a big possible uptake, but mainly for the cheapest model as it will be an excellent gaming device for kids.

I agree 100%. $479 for a 16GB iPad makes it a viable kids gift, even an extra device for some. A great option instead of iPod Touch

I agree with this, I think the iPad mini may well hurt sales of the iPod touch. I can see schools using them a lot also.

It will also hurt sales of the ipad too, as the full size ipad will be considered too big and heavy by kids. The problem though is that they will need to update an ipad mini sooner than and ipad 4, due to it's hardware. The ipad 4 should last longer, thus be better value for them.

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#705807 24-Oct-2012 16:59

My predictions.

iPod Touch will reduce GB and price, as mini IPad will suit many. Touch will thus sell better, Touch is too pricey before, let alone now.

iPhones will also move to two versions, 4" and 4.6 ish. Many don't want a big phone, but many do.

I feel Apple is out to cover more demographics, that's nowcovered on two iPad options, I can see phones going the same.

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#705808 24-Oct-2012 17:03

mattwnz:
tdgeek:Now it's iPad 3 or 4 now, 5 in 6 months. So if you were intending on the iPad 4 in 6 months you still can. Or 5. Resale isn't too much an issue, they hold value well, especially if you have a non current version, I.e. one that cannot be bought, those with higher GB

I don't think we will see a ipad 5 in 6 months. Infact I think they may entend it out to 18 months for the next upgrade, because what can they really do to it to upgrade it hardware wise... I predict the ipad 5 will have a smaller bezel and will be thinner, with an 8MP camera, with the A7 chip.

Why did I say 6 months, mistake. Your right, although I cannot see 18 months. Now, Apple has a two version iPad priced $479 to $1228 . I see that staying, and back on the 12 month cycle.

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#705813 24-Oct-2012 17:13

tdgeek: My predictions.

iPod Touch will reduce GB and price, as mini IPad will suit many. Touch will thus sell better, Touch is too pricey before, let alone now.

iPhones will also move to two versions, 4" and 4.6 ish. Many don't want a big phone, but many do.

I feel Apple is out to cover more demographics, that's nowcovered on two iPad options, I can see phones going the same.

I think they made a messup with the iphone by creating such a weird change to the aspect ratio. If they wanted to increase it's size, they should have done it properly by creating one about the size and resolution of the samsung S3. Their argument was about the keyboard size in vertical orientation. But I find that keyboard too narrow to use anyway, and the width of the one on the S3 is perfect. I think they are going to now have to change it again in the near future, which isn't going to make app developers very happy, as they are going to have to make apps for different sized screens. At least the ipad has a standard size and aspect ratio now

It is a bit strange that they have totally removed the ipad 3 from sale, and now only have the ipad 4 and ipad 2, but again I guess they want a point of difference, as the ipad 3 and 4 are so similar for normal use. Just wonder how long they will keep selling the ipad 2 for. Guess it is good for ipad 2 users, as as long as they keep selling it, apple should keep updating IOS for it. I wonder if they will eventually add siri to the ipad 2. They have added features to devices in the past that didn't previously have them added.

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#705841 24-Oct-2012 18:31

Anyone read what the heat dissipation is like? (perhaps too early to know)
The main stumbling block for me purchasing the new iPad was the heat under (GPU?) load. I know, for a lot of people it wasn't an issue, which is fair enough. For me it was.

As someone else here noted, Apple don't usually have such a short release cycle. It appears when they do uncharacteristic things there's usually a very good reason (which the rumor mill reveals eventually) - I guess we'll find out in time.

Apple aren't afraid to cannibalise existing products. It's just part of their innovative culture I guess.

Then again, they're not afraid to simply drop "legacy" products/features like a lead balloon.

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#705845 24-Oct-2012 18:37

zaptor: Anyone read what the heat dissipation is like? (perhaps too early to know)
The main stumbling block for me purchasing the new iPad was the heat under (GPU?) load. I know, for a lot of people it wasn't an issue, which is fair enough. For me it was.

As someone else here noted, Apple don't usually have such a short release cycle. It appears when they do uncharacteristic things there's usually a very good reason (which the rumor mill reveals eventually) - I guess we'll find out in time.

Apple aren't afraid to cannibalise existing products. It's just part of their innovative culture I guess.

Then again, they're not afraid to simply drop "legacy" products/features like a lead balloon.

I don't think they are really going to cannibalize any products with the ipad mini apart from perhaps the ipod touch. BUt perhaps the market for that is someone who just wants a music player and a home based browser and email client in their pocket.
That is why they updated the ipad 3 when they did, because if they didn't then people would buy the ipad mini due to it being newer, and the ipad 3. So they didn't wan the current top of the range ipad product to have an old dock connector and older chip, which would make it look old compared to the iphone and ipad mini. Now all their current range of new products have the new connector. Older gen products have the old one.

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