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#706248 25-Oct-2012 12:53

No, no, this is BAD! Now I've got my 5 and discovered how much faster it is than my old 3GS, and seen the wonder that is the retina display, I really really want to update my 1st gen iPad to a 4. I just spent all my savings on the iPhone. Oh well, I guess that's what credit cards are for.

Personally, for the extra processing power, I'll be spending the extra $200-ish to get the newer version, I think.

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#706257 25-Oct-2012 13:08

littleheaven: No, no, this is BAD! Now I've got my 5 and discovered how much faster it is than my old 3GS, and seen the wonder that is the retina display, I really really want to update my 1st gen iPad to a 4. I just spent all my savings on the iPhone. Oh well, I guess that's what credit cards are for.

Personally, for the extra processing power, I'll be spending the extra $200-ish to get the newer version, I think.

I have an iPad3, I could see the retina was a little bit better, but not a lot really. Now, if I look at my wifes iPad2, I can certainly tell. Maybe an iPad3 at the current reduced end of line prices, if still available, is a good cost effective option?

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#706278 25-Oct-2012 13:51

tdgeek:
littleheaven: No, no, this is BAD! Now I've got my 5 and discovered how much faster it is than my old 3GS, and seen the wonder that is the retina display, I really really want to update my 1st gen iPad to a 4. I just spent all my savings on the iPhone. Oh well, I guess that's what credit cards are for.

Personally, for the extra processing power, I'll be spending the extra $200-ish to get the newer version, I think.

I have an iPad3, I could see the retina was a little bit better, but not a lot really. Now, if I look at my wifes iPad2, I can certainly tell. Maybe an iPad3 at the current reduced end of line prices, if still available, is a good cost effective option?

If you can get the ipad 3 for the ipad 2 price, that would be a good deal. But otherwise, the ipad 4 is a far more powerful machine, and will outlast an ipad 3 in terms of future IOS updates. It perhpas shortens the life of the ipad 3 a bit in terms of updates, as will the ipad 3 get all the newer software features of the ipad 4 in the future, I doubt it.
I wouldn't get the ipad mini until it comes out with a retina display, but it is ok for someone just emailing and browsing the web, as long as you don't want to watch ondemand video content.

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#706280 25-Oct-2012 13:54

NonprayingMantis: bizarely cheap pricing IMO.

I know it is refurbished, but the 16GB Wifi model of the 'old' ipad with Retina is now CHEAPER than a new 16GB iPad2. ($579)

I would have thought the price would be somewhere between the two, maybe around $650 for the old ipad with retina.

In a few months, won't ipad 4s also be listed here for that same price, as they get repaired, switched etc?

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#706303 25-Oct-2012 14:24

mattwnz:If you can get the ipad 3 for the ipad 2 price, that would be a good deal. But otherwise, the ipad 4 is a far more powerful machine, and will outlast an ipad 3 in terms of future IOS updates. It perhpas shortens the life of the ipad 3 a bit in terms of updates, as will the ipad 3 get all the newer software features of the ipad 4 in the future, I doubt it.

Exactly. While the 3 would undoubtedly be a huge step up from the 1, it's not cheaper by enough of a margin that I'd get it instead of a 4, if I was going to shell out. I had planned to get a 4 when they came out next year, but having it released so soon has thrown a cat among the financial pigeons.

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#706389 25-Oct-2012 17:05

I went to apple.co.nz and looked at the ipad Mini. Looked good to me in size and price, and I thought about getting one, UNTIL I found out that it doesn't have a Retina Display. This is a huge step backward for Apple, when even the iPod Touch has a retina display. It doesn't make sense, and would be a letdown for users like me who have an iPod Touch and an iphone with retina display to have to drop down to a lower resolution.

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#706410 25-Oct-2012 17:30

da5id: I went to apple.co.nz and looked at the ipad Mini. Looked good to me in size and price, and I thought about getting one, UNTIL I found out that it doesn't have a Retina Display. This is a huge step backward for Apple, when even the iPod Touch has a retina display. It doesn't make sense, and would be a letdown for users like me who have an iPod Touch and an iphone with retina display to have to drop down to a lower resolution.

The ipad 1 and 2 didn't have a retina display, and they were sold after devices like the iphone and ipod had them. So not having it will not affect sales. Also it will be a higher dot per inch than the ipad 1 & 2, so pixels will be less detectable. But the reason it doesn't have a retina display is due to cost, and they don't want to cannibalize the ipad 4. That is one reaons the ipad 4 is called teh ipad with retina display. Also they don't have much competition in that price range for other devices with a higher res screen. Also it allows apple to have a future feature in the bag for the mini 2. There is nothing for them to gain in putting all the latest features in it, as probably the same number of people will still buy it, and it will just take away sales of the ipad4. They are very clever about they way they do this.

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#706478 25-Oct-2012 19:08

I think a lot of users WON'T buy it, precisely because it hasn't the retina display.
The iPhone 4, 4S, and 5 have it. The iPod Touch has it. The iPad 3 has it, as will the iPad 4 - all the latest gadgets from Apple.
It's a step backward, especially when the Kindle Fire and the Nexus 7 have higher resolution screens.

As Tony Smith from reghardware says -

More important though is the screen. Apple’s is 1024 x 768. That’s good for developers, of course, but it won’t render text as sharply as the Nexus’ 1280 x 800 panel, and certainly not the 2048 x 1536 screen on the 9.7in iPad. The iPad Mini has pixel density of just 163ppi, more than the iPad 2’s 132ppi, of course, but still a lot less than the Nexus’ 216ppi.

Enough processing power to smooth the flow of UI animations and games is good, but a crisp display, which benefits all apps, is better. Text rendering quality is arguably the ‘killer app’ in a tablet.

Not going “retina” seems doubly a mistake when the Mini is so clearly aimed at buyers wanting a convenient device on which to read e-books, and when it’s the first thing potential buyers see when they view the product - usually right alongside alternatives - in shops and stores.

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#706921 26-Oct-2012 13:43

I believe Apple will have intentionally excluded retina display precisely for people like me, I was tossing up between Ipad Mini and Ipad 3, not that the mini has been announced and does not have the retina display it is becoming easier for me to lean towards the Ipad 4 (now that it has also been announced).

There has to be a significant difference between the mini and full size otherwise they will cannibalize each others market.

For me it has made everything a little more entertaining and now given me something else to research.

I have saved up $300 of gift vouchers for DSE and generally get $300 every 6 months so by Chirstmas will have $600 so it is do I spend

$680 and get Ipad mini wi-fi + Cell 16gb
pros - price
cons - small screen size
- slower processor
- lower resolution screen
- Nano sim (cant change my iphone sim in to it)

$929 and get Ipad 4 wi-fi + Cell 16gb
pros - small screen size
- slower processor
- lower resolution screen
- micro sim
cons - price

To be honest the only real con that matters is the screen size and I would have to play with a mini beside the full size to see if it matters to me.

Price is really $80 or $329

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#706944 26-Oct-2012 14:10

dickytim: I believe Apple will have intentionally excluded retina display precisely for people like me, I was tossing up between Ipad Mini and Ipad 3, not that the mini has been announced and does not have the retina display it is becoming easier for me to lean towards the Ipad 4 (now that it has also been announced).

There has to be a significant difference between the mini and full size otherwise they will cannibalize each others market.

For me it has made everything a little more entertaining and now given me something else to research.

I have saved up $300 of gift vouchers for DSE and generally get $300 every 6 months so by Chirstmas will have $600 so it is do I spend

$680 and get Ipad mini wi-fi + Cell 16gb
pros - price
cons - small screen size
- slower processor
- lower resolution screen
- Nano sim (cant change my iphone sim in to it)

$929 and get Ipad 4 wi-fi + Cell 16gb
pros - small screen size
- slower processor
- lower resolution screen
- micro sim
cons - price

To be honest the only real con that matters is the screen size and I would have to play with a mini beside the full size to see if it matters to me.

Price is really $80 or $329

Or you could get a refurbished ipad3 cheaper from apple direct, which should be as good as a new one. But I guess you couldn't use your vouchers. Also I had heard that the ipad 3 is slower then the ipad 2 because even though it has an X chip it still loses a bit of speed driving the retina display.
The ipad 3 should have a longer life than the ipad mini, and I expect it to be 12- 18 months before they upgrade it again, so it should retain it's value for longer. The ipad mini I think will get a retina display at it's next upgrade woigth an A6X processor, possibly in 12 months.

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#706961 26-Oct-2012 14:33

mattwnz:
dickytim: I believe Apple will have intentionally excluded retina display precisely for people like me, I was tossing up between Ipad Mini and Ipad 3, not that the mini has been announced and does not have the retina display it is becoming easier for me to lean towards the Ipad 4 (now that it has also been announced).

There has to be a significant difference between the mini and full size otherwise they will cannibalize each others market.

For me it has made everything a little more entertaining and now given me something else to research.

I have saved up $300 of gift vouchers for DSE and generally get $300 every 6 months so by Chirstmas will have $600 so it is do I spend

$680 and get Ipad mini wi-fi + Cell 16gb
pros - price
cons - small screen size
- slower processor
- lower resolution screen
- Nano sim (cant change my iphone sim in to it)

$929 and get Ipad 4 wi-fi + Cell 16gb
pros - small screen size
- slower processor
- lower resolution screen
- micro sim
cons - price

To be honest the only real con that matters is the screen size and I would have to play with a mini beside the full size to see if it matters to me.

Price is really $80 or $329

Or you could get a refurbished ipad3 cheaper from apple direct, which should be as good as a new one. But I guess you couldn't use your vouchers. Also I had heard that the ipad 3 is slower then the ipad 2 because even though it has an X chip it still loses a bit of speed driving the retina display.
The ipad 3 should have a longer life than the ipad mini, and I expect it to be 12- 18 months before they upgrade it again, so it should retain it's value for longer. The ipad mini I think will get a retina display at it's next upgrade woigth an A6X processor, possibly in 12 months.

I have an iPad3, its quick. Its twice as fast as iPad2, due to the custom Soc and Dual CPU/Quad GPU. Googling speedtests showed this also. I'd like a 4, but TBH, what I have is smooth in HD anything, so while faster is always better, I doubt you will really notice it. Just my opinion.

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#707199 26-Oct-2012 21:35

got half way thru typing my reply and had to post as the boss came in!

anyway I was going to say that between the ipad1 and 1pad2 I play with at work for most applications I can rarely notice the difference in power, all the apps etc are so close to instant!

I guess it comes a little bit down to wanting the fasted, bestest available rather than a need for the extra processing power etc!

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#707209 26-Oct-2012 21:55

iPad 3 was lacking LTE functionality for around the world.

I guess its so hard because of LTE fragmentation.

Too many frequencys , then theres FDD & TDD.
CDMA or WCDMA

Lots of complications oh yes :)

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#707372 27-Oct-2012 10:56

Well, after careful consideration I decided to get a "refurbished" 3 from the Apple Store while they're selling stock off cheap. Got a white 32GB Wi Fi for $675. In the end I decided that it would be such a huge step up from the 1 that I'd be delighted with it even if it doesn't have the A6 chip. I'm not a power user, mainly web browsing, email and Angry Birds (lol) so it's not like I need the extra grunt. I'll upgrade again a couple of models down the line, I think.

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