I realise the the Iphone 4 has facetime, but with a front and rear facing camera is it also compatible with Vodafone 3G video calling?
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NonprayingMantis: didn't you know, the iphone4 invented video calling. Before the iphone4, video calling didn't exist.
If anyone tells you otherwise they are just jealous of Steve Jobs and all his awesomeness.
:P
Teeps:NonprayingMantis: didn't you know, the iphone4 invented video calling. Before the iphone4, video calling didn't exist.
If anyone tells you otherwise they are just jealous of Steve Jobs and all his awesomeness.
:P
I don't think there is a claim that Apple invented video calling, but they are trying to make it a better experience. If I'm going to make a video call I prefer the recipient to be able to see a reasonable quality video not just a mush of colours and trying to make something out. There have been BIG advancements in compression technology since video calling first started all those years ago but because of compatability this would not be able to be used for standard video calls
NonprayingMantis: href="http://www.apple.com/nz/iphone/features/facetime.html">http://www.apple.com/nz/iphone/features/facetime.html
"People have been dreaming about video calling for decades. iPhone 4 makes it a reality. With the tap of a button, you can wave hello to your kids, share a smile from across the globe, or watch your best friend laugh at your stories ? iPhone 4 to iPhone 4 over Wi-Fi. No other phone makes staying in touch this much fun."
certianly sounds like they are claiming to have invented video calling to me, implying that before the iphone4 people could only dream about it.
RustyGonad: How are Apple trying to make it better???
By making you stand next to a wifi access point when you want to use it?
By limiting it to a proprietary format, so that you can only call other iPhone 4's??
By tying the rest of the world into an agreement signed in the USA with one carrier, and trying to limit IP voice/video calling to wifi???
Seriously peeps - Apple are doing nothing to make it better. Even Yahoo have killed them on this one... I love the phone, but it'd be a whole lot better without the Apple chastity belt attached to it...
Teeps:RustyGonad: How are Apple trying to make it better???
By making you stand next to a wifi access point when you want to use it?
By limiting it to a proprietary format, so that you can only call other iPhone 4's??
By tying the rest of the world into an agreement signed in the USA with one carrier, and trying to limit IP voice/video calling to wifi???
Seriously peeps - Apple are doing nothing to make it better. Even Yahoo have killed them on this one... I love the phone, but it'd be a whole lot better without the Apple chastity belt attached to it...
The wifi restriction is not Apples doing, thats the networks, they would prefer you to pay through the nose to use video calling rather than use the data you are already paring for and use a different system. Believe me I find it frustrating that it is wifi only too but let's hope that Apples stance on this means the networks will start to play ball in the future instead of just leaving it as it is.
Afaik FaceTime is an open standard, I know it's only on the iPhone 4 as of now but think of were it can go, not just making video calls from cell to cell but also between cell and computers too, maybe even other devices will come onto the market.
We're all geeks here, I'd have thought you could see this is a positive step going forwards, unleashing from the restrictions of old network technology, but maybe it's just me looking into the future rather than sticking with the past!?
I would see any company trying to make a change as a good thing but as Apple have done it it inevitably gets the usual responses.
RustyGonad:
Its not the networks doing its Apples - otherwise Yahoo wouldn't be able to do it with Messenger - try it out sometime - it works alot better than facetime. Look in the app store, you won't find it under Apple.
Its also kinda open standard - you can talk PC to iPhone over 3G - kinda what Facetime could be if Jobs didn't have his head so far up his own... lets say shoe for now...
I buy Apple's products when I think they're good. I also call a spade a spade when its bad.
Facetime is proprietary crap.
Video calling is years old, Skype have been doing it for ages, and I remember using it on my Nokia N81about 4 years ago. Its not Apples doing, and addding a VGA camera to the front of the iPhone and using proprietary software doesn't change the world...
Of course it's not Apples decision to not allow FaceTime over 3G, wtf would they do that!
There are a few video apps in the App Store and have been since before the iPhone 4, but I thought your complaint was that the iPhone4/FaceTime wasn't able to make standard 3G video calls to any mobile?
You could complain a lot more if Apple didn't allow these other video apps into the app store but they do so there is the choice, Apple has the right to promote their own version if they believe it a viable option and the fact that Yahoo messenger video chat is available on the iPhone is a good thing and means Apple isn't trying to stop competition, but you seem pissed that there is a choice!
I agree, video calling is years old, and I first used it on a mobile a lot longer than 4 years ago (i think around 7 years ago as I'm from the UK), but the quality just wasn't that great, and the worst bit is because it's a network standard it hasn't changed since. You're concerned about the front facing camera on the iPhone 4 only being VGA but the standard video calling doesn't use anywhere near that resolution anyway.
Ultimately no one is forcing you to buy an iPhone 4 or any other particular phone, there is choice out there and we are all welcome to take it. If you choose not to have the phone why gripe about its features?
RustyGonad: [quote
Some people know when its Sunny and put on some sunscreen and a hat...
Other people tend to hang around the back of Mr Jobs, wondering where the lights coming from...
Me - well, I know it comes from the Sky... I also know if it came from the other place, the light won't get out because his heads blocking the hole...
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