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# 228787 22-Jan-2018 19:19
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I'm looking to install something which will extend wifi outside to surround area, within 200m range from the unit.

 

I'm looking at a rectangular area of around 30m wide x 200m. I'm basically wanting to have wifi in a shared open space, which is surrounded by houses.

 

I don't have the ability to put a unit up at the other end (I'm not very clued up with how this tech works) so it would be a single unit sending casting a wifi signal downwards.


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  # 1944980 22-Jan-2018 19:22
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200m to handheld devices isnt going to work. Perhaps to desktop PCs with a high gain directional antenna on it to go back might.

 

I have a unifi mesh on the front of my garage. Driveway is about 120m long. At the far end get almost nothing on 5GHz, 2.4Ghz has some signal, but it will connect but not even stream spotify.

 

When I had a 2.4GHz only sector antenna type AP there, it was a little better on the downstream, but I still couldnt hold a voip call when taking the trash out.





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  # 1944995 22-Jan-2018 19:44
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as mentioned, 200M coverage, in an urban situation could be pushing it.

 

 

 

Are you able to install an AP at the location? - IE do you have power there.

 

If it's a communal ground, and you want WiFi for while your down there... I'd be tempted to DYI it.

 

 

 

Have a P2P link between house and the onsite "AP". AP could be inside a enclosure for easy use, Battery powered.





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  # 1945133 23-Jan-2018 08:01
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hio77:

 

as mentioned, 200M coverage, in an urban situation could be pushing it.

 

 

 

Are you able to install an AP at the location? - IE do you have power there.

 

If it's a communal ground, and you want WiFi for while your down there... I'd be tempted to DYI it.

 

 

 

Have a P2P link between house and the onsite "AP". AP could be inside a enclosure for easy use, Battery powered.

 

 

P2P link with a battery powered AP sounds possible, what device do you recommend? 




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  # 1945135 23-Jan-2018 08:03
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richms:

 

200m to handheld devices isnt going to work. Perhaps to desktop PCs with a high gain directional antenna on it to go back might.

 

I have a unifi mesh on the front of my garage. Driveway is about 120m long. At the far end get almost nothing on 5GHz, 2.4Ghz has some signal, but it will connect but not even stream spotify.

 

When I had a 2.4GHz only sector antenna type AP there, it was a little better on the downstream, but I still couldnt hold a voip call when taking the trash out.

 

 

Thanks for the info.


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  # 1945141 23-Jan-2018 08:24
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What you want to do is not realistically possible if you want to deliver a quality solution (or depending on the the noise a solution that actually works).

 

In a crowded urban area 2.4GHz at 200m will be unusable. Free space loss with 5GHz will be even worse.

 

 




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  # 1945193 23-Jan-2018 10:21
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sbiddle:

 

What you want to do is not realistically possible if you want to deliver a quality solution (or depending on the the noise a solution that actually works).

 

In a crowded urban area 2.4GHz at 200m will be unusable. Free space loss with 5GHz will be even worse.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks, I will try to obtain some hardware and give it a go anyway. Whatever coverage I can get will be better than no coverage. 


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  # 1945264 23-Jan-2018 11:34
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Hatch:

 

hio77:

 

as mentioned, 200M coverage, in an urban situation could be pushing it.

 

 

 

Are you able to install an AP at the location? - IE do you have power there.

 

If it's a communal ground, and you want WiFi for while your down there... I'd be tempted to DYI it.

 

 

 

Have a P2P link between house and the onsite "AP". AP could be inside a enclosure for easy use, Battery powered.

 

 

P2P link with a battery powered AP sounds possible, what device do you recommend? 

 

 

I'm by no means the best at this sorta recommendation, but how i'd go is depending on market price for the gear i was after...

 

 

 

I'd look at something like.

 

Base station - EnGenius ENS202 - Pointed from your accessible location.

 

onsite AP - EnGenius ENS202EXT - Powered off 24V passive POE in wireless bridge mode.

 

 

 

 





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  # 1945301 23-Jan-2018 13:02
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hio77:

 

I'm by no means the best at this sorta recommendation, but how i'd go is depending on market price for the gear i was after...

 

 

 

I'd look at something like.

 

Base station - EnGenius ENS202 - Pointed from your accessible location.

 

onsite AP - EnGenius ENS202EXT - Powered off 24V passive POE in wireless bridge mode.

 

 

Thanks for looking into it for me, if anyone has something like this (or similar to sell) I'd be interested. 200m is optimal, but I can deal with much less coverage as I am budget constrained.


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  # 1945679 23-Jan-2018 20:01
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What are you trying to achieve with this wifi access over this location? Streaming video out over something or just checking facebook for new likes etc?





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  # 1945819 24-Jan-2018 07:23
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Hatch:

 

Thanks for looking into it for me, if anyone has something like this (or similar to sell) I'd be interested. 200m is optimal, but I can deal with much less coverage as I am budget constrained.

 

 

Being budget constrained isn't really an option here if you want something that will work. That being the case my recommondation would be something like a 2nd hand Ruckus 7762S - you'll get one landed in NZ for probably NZ$400ish


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  # 1945829 24-Jan-2018 08:39
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I'm running an old Motels OWL500 AP with twin 1db antennas, I get about 120m on a good day with that.

 

Keeping in mind this is old tech now (G 2.4ghz wi-fi so maxes at 100Mbps)

 

So far I haven't found anything that can match that beast for range.




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  # 1945951 24-Jan-2018 11:56
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sbiddle:

 

Hatch:

 

Thanks for looking into it for me, if anyone has something like this (or similar to sell) I'd be interested. 200m is optimal, but I can deal with much less coverage as I am budget constrained.

 

 

Being budget constrained isn't really an option here if you want something that will work. That being the case my recommondation would be something like a 2nd hand Ruckus 7762S - you'll get one landed in NZ for probably NZ$400ish

 

 

Thanks will look into it. 200m is the optimum but obviously is the budget doesn't stretch that far, then I will work with what I can get within budget.




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  # 1945953 24-Jan-2018 11:57
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Mistenfuru:

 

I'm running an old Motels OWL500 AP with twin 1db antennas, I get about 120m on a good day with that.

 

Keeping in mind this is old tech now (G 2.4ghz wi-fi so maxes at 100Mbps)

 

So far I haven't found anything that can match that beast for range.

 

 

120m sounds pretty good, I'll keep an eye out for these units. Not concerned with data bandwidth so 2.4Ghz would be fine.


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  # 1946058 24-Jan-2018 14:40
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The range is almost always going to be an issue with the phone/tablet as others have said. You can only do that distance with directional gear.

 

I'd either temporarily pull out a AP on a long CAT6 cable when you need it, or try setup an AP permanently where you need it. Find or build some cover for it.

 

Find one that's POE so power is nice and easy. Make sure your cable length isn't too long or an issue for both data and power. Trickiest thing would just be making a weather proof and I guess thief proof home for it. Or just get an outdoor AP.




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  # 1946097 24-Jan-2018 15:55
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cshaun:

 

The range is almost always going to be an issue with the phone/tablet as others have said. You can only do that distance with directional gear.

 

I'd either temporarily pull out a AP on a long CAT6 cable when you need it, or try setup an AP permanently where you need it. Find or build some cover for it.

 

Find one that's POE so power is nice and easy. Make sure your cable length isn't too long or an issue for both data and power. Trickiest thing would just be making a weather proof and I guess thief proof home for it. Or just get an outdoor AP.

 

 

Thanks this is a very practical idea. I'm not necessarily going to need the coverage 24/7 so can just find something with a decent amount of power (even an indoor unit) and pull out for a temporary installation when needed. 

 

 


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