Orcon Naked VDSL and Genius Phoneline

✨ Samsung | AliExpress | Wise | Sharesies | GoodSync | Free white papers

Welcome Guest.

You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.

Forums › 2degrees (including Slingshot, Orcon, Flip, Stuff Fibre, MyRepublic, 2talk and Vocus) › Orcon Naked VDSL and Genius Phoneline

Omen

32 posts

Geek

#165730 18-Feb-2015 15:42

Send private message

After seeing the thread with the new $9 a month discount, I was browsing through my pricing options at Orcon and noticed the Naked VDSL at $95 a month.

The orcon website isn't exactly clear as to whether or not I get to keep my genius (voip through the orcon sip servers) phone number. I expect that I should since it's a voip service, not an old pots phone. But I would like some assurances before changing my plans.

Thanks
Logan.

1 | 2

ubergeeknz

3344 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Vocus

#1241782 18-Feb-2015 16:08

Send private message

Not sure what you mean. If you have a naked service, we don't provide a phone line. It's naked.

NonprayingMantis

6434 posts

Uber Geek

#1241789 18-Feb-2015 16:22

Send private message

ahem
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=82&topicid=101091

"From the Orcon FAQ:
Q - Can I still buy Naked broadband from Orcon?

Orcon Genius IS naked broadband. We throw in a phone line that works over your broadband connection at no extra cost, so you have a phone number that's there if you need it. If you don't want to use it, just don't plug a phone in. Simple."

Omen

32 posts

Geek

#1241810 18-Feb-2015 16:56

Send private message

You're trying to have it both ways.

https://www.orcon.net.nz/support/gfaq_page/what_is_orcon_genius_and_how_does_it_work

According to this, naked broadband should let me keep my genius "phoneline" In fact I plugged in a normal phone and just confirmed that I had no land line.

Are you saying your making me pay for an old fashioned phone line whilst only providing me with a voip offering, but will revoke my voip service if I opt for a naked broadband plan.

I'm glad I asked for confirmation now.

toejam316

1466 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

Lifetime subscriber

#1241852 18-Feb-2015 18:12

Send private message

The phone line normally referenced is POTS (Plain Old Telephone Service). Generally it's fed out of equipment in the exchange, down the copper pair, to whatever is dangling off the end of the wiring in your house. You will not get this with Genius.

Instead what you get is a SIP solution that sends the voice data over your broadband connection. This is cheaper for all parties involved, but without some serious overhauling, is only accessible from the port on the router.

So, you're not paying for the old land line, you're getting a broadband service instead, it's a bit like mixing up Skype with old, real telephones.

Anything I say is the ramblings of an ill informed, opinionated so-and-so, and not representative of any of my past, present or future employers, and is also probably best disregarded.

FireEngine

1223 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#1241861 18-Feb-2015 18:24

Send private message

Just to clarify:

Genius is naked broadband (ie no POTS line), with a VOIP phone service.

Orcon naked broadband is a broadband service with NO phone service of any kind across it.

Hope that clears it up.

Regards FireEngine

Omen

32 posts

Geek

#1241864 18-Feb-2015 18:32

Send private message

FireEngine: Just to clarify:

Genius is naked broadband (ie no POTS line), with a VOIP phone service.

Orcon naked broadband is a broadband service with NO phone service of any kind across it.

Hope that clears it up.

That clears up your offerings, which should be made clearer on the website.

This definitely does look like you're trying to have things both ways though. I'm not exactly pleased with the answer.

Jase2985

13461 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Lifetime subscriber

#1241868 18-Feb-2015 18:42

Send private message

care to explain why you think that?

AliExpress

Shop now on AliExpress (affiliate link).

Omen

32 posts

Geek

#1241885 18-Feb-2015 18:57

Send private message

Jase2985: care to explain why you think that?

Me? It's sketchy advertising. They're playing on the "Naked" name, after already selling me "Naked" DSL services and requiring me give up my POTS "Homeline" years ago.

By every historical reference even on Orcon's own FAQ's I should be entitled to join their $95 a month "Naked" service with no changes to my orcon voip settings.

At the very least, it should be made clearer that no "Homeline" includes giving your existing genius VOIP line.

Jase2985

13461 posts

Uber Geek

ID Verified

Lifetime subscriber

#1241919 18-Feb-2015 19:57

Send private message

but then you would have to give up you home line (VOIP) as naked is no home line.
the standard home line option includes a home line it just happens to be VOIP. its really no different having a voip line to having a POTS line, you just have greater options with a VOIP line. they are both still home lines.

"All Orcon ADSL broadband plans do require you to have your landline and toll calling with

Orcon. Our standard package includes either an Orcon Genius phone line or traditional copper voice

line, and Genius Go (our iPhone and Android smartphone application that allow you to make and

receive calls from your home number on your mobile – pretty snazz"

From their T&C for ADSL

i don't see how its misleading or confusing. there is no mention of a phone line of either sort in the naked terms and conditions

i think you are trying to make something out of nothing

sbiddle

30853 posts

Uber Geek

Retired Mod

Trusted

Biddle Corp

Lifetime subscriber

#1241940 18-Feb-2015 20:07

Send private message

Omen:
Jase2985: care to explain why you think that?

Me? It's sketchy advertising. They're playing on the "Naked" name, after already selling me "Naked" DSL services and requiring me give up my POTS "Homeline" years ago.

By every historical reference even on Orcon's own FAQ's I should be entitled to join their $95 a month "Naked" service with no changes to my orcon voip settings.

At the very least, it should be made clearer that no "Homeline" includes giving your existing genius VOIP line.

There is nothing confusing about it. You're probably just confused by the terminology.

Naked does not mean a connection has no phone. It means a connection with no POTS attached.

Naked DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with no POTS.

Clothed DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with POTS.

Plenty of ISPs sell Naked connections with a phone delivered over VOIP.

Omen

32 posts

Geek

#1241982 18-Feb-2015 21:07

Send private message

There is nothing confusing about it. You're probably just confused by the terminology.

Naked does not mean a connection has no phone. It means a connection with no POTS attached.

Naked DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with no POTS.

Clothed DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with POTS.

Plenty of ISPs sell Naked connections with a phone delivered over VOIP.

I understand this all completely. Orcon are the ones stating that Naked now means no phoneline of any description.

FireEngine

1223 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

#1242001 18-Feb-2015 21:18

Send private message

Omen: I understand this all completely. Orcon are the ones stating that Naked now means no phoneline of any description.

Naked meant that before Genius came along. We are being as consistent as I think it is possible to be. Genius runs on a Naked broadband connection, that is the closest industry term. Genius then has voip on top. That doesn't mean every Naked connection now has voip service included.

If you ask anyone in the industry what type of connection Genius is, they have to answer "naked broadband".

At the end of the day this is all explained during the sales process before you sign up, by that stage you would be in no doubt what you are, and aren't getting.

Regards FireEngine

sbiddle

30853 posts

Uber Geek

Retired Mod

Trusted

Biddle Corp

Lifetime subscriber

#1242054 19-Feb-2015 07:23

Send private message

Omen:
There is nothing confusing about it. You're probably just confused by the terminology.

Naked does not mean a connection has no phone. It means a connection with no POTS attached.

Naked DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with no POTS.

Clothed DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with POTS.

Plenty of ISPs sell Naked connections with a phone delivered over VOIP.

I understand this all completely. Orcon are the ones stating that Naked now means no phoneline of any description.

You're still confused.

Nowhere does it say Naked means no phoneline. Naked means no POTS line is provisioned with the service. This is very different.

NonprayingMantis

6434 posts

Uber Geek

#1242057 19-Feb-2015 07:49

Send private message

sbiddle:
Omen:
There is nothing confusing about it. You're probably just confused by the terminology.

Naked does not mean a connection has no phone. It means a connection with no POTS attached.

Naked DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with no POTS.

Clothed DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with POTS.

Plenty of ISPs sell Naked connections with a phone delivered over VOIP.

I understand this all completely. Orcon are the ones stating that Naked now means no phoneline of any description.

You're still confused.

Nowhere does it say Naked means no phoneline. Naked means no POTS line is provisioned with the service. This is very different.

the very first response to this thread from an orcon rep stated naked means no phone line.

sbiddle

30853 posts

Uber Geek

Retired Mod

Trusted

Biddle Corp

Lifetime subscriber

#1242088 19-Feb-2015 08:41

Send private message

NonprayingMantis:
sbiddle:
Omen:
There is nothing confusing about it. You're probably just confused by the terminology.

Naked does not mean a connection has no phone. It means a connection with no POTS attached.

Naked DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with no POTS.

Clothed DSL means it's a xDSL circuit provisioned with POTS.

Plenty of ISPs sell Naked connections with a phone delivered over VOIP.

I understand this all completely. Orcon are the ones stating that Naked now means no phoneline of any description.

You're still confused.

Nowhere does it say Naked means no phoneline. Naked means no POTS line is provisioned with the service. This is very different.

the very first response to this thread from an orcon rep stated naked means no phone line.

My sentence wasn't worked well. I meant nowhere does it say Naked means you don't get a phone service.

1 | 2

News and reviews »

Air New Zealand Starts AI adoption with OpenAI
Posted 24-Jul-2025 16:00

eero Pro 7 Review
Posted 23-Jul-2025 12:07

BeeStation Plus Review
Posted 21-Jul-2025 14:21

eero Unveils New Wi-Fi 7 Products in New Zealand
Posted 21-Jul-2025 00:01

WiZ Introduces HDMI Sync Box and other Light Devices
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:32

RedShield Enhances DDoS and Bot Attack Protection
Posted 20-Jul-2025 17:26

Seagate Ships 30TB Drives
Posted 17-Jul-2025 11:24

Oclean AirPump A10 Water Flosser Review
Posted 13-Jul-2025 11:05

Samsung Galaxy Z Fold7: Raising the Bar for Smartphones
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01

Samsung Galaxy Z Flip7 Brings New Edge-To-Edge FlexWindow
Posted 10-Jul-2025 02:01

Epson Launches New AM-C550Z WorkForce Enterprise printer
Posted 9-Jul-2025 18:22

Samsung Releases Smart Monitor M9
Posted 9-Jul-2025 17:46

Nearly Half of Older Kiwis Still Write their Passwords on Paper
Posted 9-Jul-2025 08:42

D-Link 4G+ Cat6 Wi-Fi 6 DWR-933M Mobile Hotspot Review
Posted 1-Jul-2025 11:34

Oppo A5 Series Launches With New Levels of Durability
Posted 30-Jun-2025 10:15

Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.

Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

RSS feeds: Main feed; Forums feed
Copyright: ©2002-2025 Geekzone®

Site features: Geekzone BI dashboard; Geekzone Badges; Geekzone Status Page

Affiliate links: Samsung; AliExpress; Wise; Sharesies; GoodSync

Site Information: Subscribe to Geekzone; Privacy Statement; Forum Usage Guidelines (FUG); Advertising; Trademark and copyright