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#303690 28-Feb-2023 16:29
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Hi Team - I'm breaking my own rules here in that I'm asking questions about something I haven't witnessed myself. The client who has relayed it is above average technically speaking and we communicate pretty well as she's my sole point of contact for this customer of mine.

She and her mother both have 2 Degrees wireless 4G internet using the default supplied Huawei Router.

 

Both of them have had their ipads and iphones stop connecting to wifi. She said to get it to reconnect they have to reboot the IOS device - NOT the router.

 

That description made no sense to me at all but I'm wondering if it could be to do with the whole Private Wifi address option in the device and the router not coping with the number of registered devices it thinks its servicing.

 

Does anyone know with the "Random" Mac address non tracking feature how often it generates a new unique MAC address? Is it daily, each time it connects for a new session??

 

It seems weird that rebooting the device then makes it happily connect again - She said that if they try and reconnect without rebooting it says the password is wrong.

 

Has any body else seen any quirks with these 4G routers. I know some of the basic routers are dreadful eg 16 Client limits on some, many that don't retain any DHCP data after a reboot so if you reboot a router on a busy network without also restarting all clients you get IP address conflicts.

I've suggested she turn the Private Address feature off so their home networks to see if that makes any difference. I'd pop and take a look but I suspect I'd need to be there when it occurs for it to make any sense.

Hopefully someone reads my ramble and might twig something they've seen before??





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  #3043352 28-Feb-2023 16:57
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I had the same problem with those modems. They lose connectivity to clients randomly if there are more than some number of them connected. If one of the ‘lost’ clients happens to be capable of packet capture you’ll see it getting non stop ICMP rejections.

It is unrelated to Apple private relay. It happened to my Windows PC.

Without wanting to go too far off the reservation I shall simply diplomatically suggest that Huawei B535 modems may not be a suitable solution for all situations.




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  #3043355 28-Feb-2023 17:14
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SaltyNZ: I had the same problem with those modems. They lose connectivity to clients randomly if there are more than some number of them connected. If one of the ‘lost’ clients happens to be capable of packet capture you’ll see it getting non stop ICMP rejections.

It is unrelated to Apple private relay. It happened to my Windows PC.

Without wanting to go too far off the reservation I shall simply diplomatically suggest that Huawei B535 modems may not be a suitable solution for all situations.

 

The way it was described and knowing what I know about the user it sounded most like it was the device. Its interesting - I asked her to let me know what model they have as there is a B535 and a B535-933 listed on the 2D site and I wondered if it was a case of a new revision replacing a flawed model - She has sent me a photo and it is a B535-933 but its listed as a SOYEALINK made by SOYEA TECHNOLOGY - I wonder if this is a bit like Datsun/Nissan where Huawei have a different name they use in some markets due to some anti Huawei sentiment?? Then again I just noticed that on the website the B535 doesn't have a 2D logo so maybe the -933 is just a 2Degrees branded version.

Anyway I'll see if they are both the identical model and we'll see what I can find.

It does wreak a bit of flaky firmware.





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  #3043368 28-Feb-2023 17:38
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For what it's worth, these are much better. But that is reflected in the price. Also note that it is technically not allowed to use the SIM in anything other than the supplied modem so I cannot recommend you do that.





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  #3043372 28-Feb-2023 17:48
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mobiusnz:

 

Does anyone know with the "Random" Mac address non tracking feature how often it generates a new unique MAC address? Is it daily, each time it connects for a new session??

 

 

I *think* it is per SSID, so it will provide the same (random) MAC every time it connects to the same WiFi SSID. In other words, you shouldn't be seeing MAC address changes for those devices, you just won't see it's actual address. The idea is to stop tracking across muliple networks with data amalgamated from different sources.


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  #3043376 28-Feb-2023 17:51
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RunningMan:

 

I *think* it is per SSID, so it will provide the same (random) MAC every time it connects to the same WiFi SSID. In other words, you shouldn't be seeing MAC address changes for those devices, you just won't see it's actual address. The idea is to stop tracking across muliple networks with data amalgamated from different sources.

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure it's every attach, or at least it rotates sometimes. I know this because back in the Bad Times when our DSL was flaky I really wanted to throttle stuff so everyone got an equally sucky experience but the iPhones and iPads kept changing their damn MACs.





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  #3043397 28-Feb-2023 19:00
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SaltyNZ:

 

RunningMan:

 

I *think* it is per SSID, so it will provide the same (random) MAC every time it connects to the same WiFi SSID. In other words, you shouldn't be seeing MAC address changes for those devices, you just won't see it's actual address. The idea is to stop tracking across muliple networks with data amalgamated from different sources.

 

 

 

 

Pretty sure it's every attach, or at least it rotates sometimes. I know this because back in the Bad Times when our DSL was flaky I really wanted to throttle stuff so everyone got an equally sucky experience but the iPhones and iPads kept changing their damn MACs.

 

 

 

 

from what I can find now it appears it is per SSID. In the beta Apple had it changing every 24 hours but in the final version they followed others in the industry to have it per network. That doesn’t mean they haven’t change it though as this document was old.





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  #3046217 6-Mar-2023 10:11
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SaltyNZ:

 

For what it's worth, these are much better. But that is reflected in the price. Also note that it is technically not allowed to use the SIM in anything other than the supplied modem so I cannot recommend you do that.

 

 

That's a little rich for a couple of Home users who's heaviest use is probably Netflix ;)

 

I have to say when I switch VF to 2D mobile a few years back I was well impressed with the stability of the 2D mobile network within metro Christchurch. I often Facetime Audio with my retired parents in Auckland on the drive - With VF I got very used to black spots where it would go dead for 200-300m and a couple where it would lose the connection.

 

When first on 2D the call was absolutely seamless for the entire 30 minute trip. Obviously this is very anecdotal but it was VERY consistent. As I say, I ring up for a chat on most drives home so I probably made many 100's of such "calls" on VF and again on 2D.

 

Lately I'm back to blackspots and dropouts more than ever. Not sure if that's indicative of loading increasing on the 2D network (In part due to Broadband connections) or the cell towers being upgraded to 5G but its as bad as VF now. There is one spot where I'll lose the call almost every time I drive down a certain road and its right on the edge of the four avenues in CHCH (The main large CBD block of CHCH)

I'm actually at the point of considering a switch as the plan recently took a price bump with the sweetener of more data which I'll never use (I have 40GB per mobile currently before slowdown - I think its now "unlimited") and the slowness of the network when on VF network when on holiday in rural areas is no good for more than email and VERY light browsing - Pretty painful for a geek on holiday in the Caravan.

It's sad to see but in some ways its the curse of success - Getting big causes growing pains. I hope the merger can pull through and merge all platforms in the most efficient way and end up with a network we all want to use.





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  #3046254 6-Mar-2023 11:57
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mobiusnz:

 

the slowness of the network when on VF network when on holiday in rural areas is no good for more than email and VERY light browsing -

 

 

 

 

Vodafone roaming was turned off several years ago. You'll get normal 4G service everywhere although in some very rural places that coverage is supplied by RCG which is a 3-way JV providing a shared RAN so your experience, such as it is, will be the same on all carriers.





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  #3046266 6-Mar-2023 12:06
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SaltyNZ:

 

mobiusnz:

 

the slowness of the network when on VF network when on holiday in rural areas is no good for more than email and VERY light browsing -

 

 

 

 

Vodafone roaming was turned off several years ago. You'll get normal 4G service everywhere although in some very rural places that coverage is supplied by RCG which is a 3-way JV providing a shared RAN so your experience, such as it is, will be the same on all carriers.

 

 

Hmm - That wasn't my understanding but I'll be glad if things have changed. I was told that speed was locked at 1Mbps when on the VF network when out of 2D range and I feel that wasn't that long ago but I have to admin my brain is now split into Pre Covid and Post Covid - So everything post early 2020 is in the last few months in my brains timeline of events - Anything pre covid might feel like a year ago.

So perhaps my problem is being in a tin box at the fringes of coverage ;)

Certainly my recent trips including to Conway Flats which is very much a small coastal cluster of rural homes and farms and I had very good 4G coverage. Maybe I'll go to lake Ruataniwha again and see if connectivity is better. 





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  #3046267 6-Mar-2023 12:07
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@mobiusnz https://www.2degrees.nz/media-releases/moran-release

As pointed out above national roaming is long dead!

The speed restriction down link you are speaking of was removed well before national roaming was killed off. It was covered here on Geekzone

The speed was restricted to 300Kbps if I remember correctly

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  #3046273 6-Mar-2023 12:12
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Linux: @mobiusnz https://www.2degrees.nz/media-releases/moran-release

As pointed out above national roaming is long dead!

 

Thanks for that - So June 2020 - In my post covid brain that means it was a month ago ;)

Sounds like a very good initiative that will benefit all users and operators nation wide. Does this mean that Spark are on it too because my daughter is 2D like me and at her boyfriends family place slightly out of CHCH she gets good cell and her boyfriend on Spark gets none - Again - All very anecdotal but anecdotal evidence can be good evidence if you trust the mouths it comes from :)

 

They might be like me and just assume nothing changes and have not really noticed - Alternately could this be a case where if there is a very very weak Spark tower it'll try and hold onto that rather than going over to MoRAN?

I know years back when 2D was still in its youth people said while the VF roam was ok sometimes at others a phone would very stubbornly hold onto a weak unusable 2D signal and not switch.





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  #3046276 6-Mar-2023 12:16
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The MoRAN sharing agreement is between VodafoneNZ / One and 2degrees (did you read the information I linked to?)

RCG is between 2degrees / SparkNZ / Vodafone

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  #3046278 6-Mar-2023 12:29
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Linux: The MoRAN sharing agreement is between VodafoneNZ / One and 2degrees (did you read the information I linked to?)

RCG is between 2degrees / SparkNZ / Vodafone


I did but I'll admit I skimmed it quickly as I really SHOULD be working. I've left it open for a good read.

I've just gone back and it doesn't really mention what networks MoRAN operates on - There is reference to

 

"The concept was first deployed in New Zealand by the Rural Connectivity Group, a joint venture between 2degrees, Vodafone, Spark and Crown Infrastructure Partners that connects remote rural communities and removes mobile blackspots."

So I had to assume the new deal was the same.

Makes decisions around picking a mobile operator interesting as it seems like you would get a consistently better experience if you travel with 2D or VF then.





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  #3046279 6-Mar-2023 12:35
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MoRAN sharing sites is only between 2degrees & VodafoneNZ / One

RCG sites are between all 3 major NZ carriers

It can't get any more simple than that

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  #3046281 6-Mar-2023 12:36
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No sure why the attitude. The MoRAN release in no way made that clear??





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