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  #3243298 31-May-2024 14:23
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I get the feeling that 2D engineers or business leads like to play around a lot with shaping and whatever else they feel like doing on any given day. All of this on and off, up and down, working and then not working reminds me a lot of the old days when ISPs would cache websites on their own servers to cut costs, sorry, I mean "speed up delivery".

I'm not convinced that their support team, when operational, have any idea as to what it going on with their own network either.

 

This must be the tenth time I'm trying to download the same large zipped file from Google Drive - even after moving my Google Workspace service from Europe to the US. It starts off all happily, then progressively slows down before just falling over halfway and then just gives up with a disconnect. Ten times in a row. Multiple different days. Sometimes using Chrome, then Firefox and then Transmit - a generally more stable FTP application that also connects to cloud services. 

 

I don't think this is Google since my support team in Africa, with tin can connectivity running on rubber bands and bicycle spokes, managed to upload the same file without issue.

 

One last try at getting this service to work and I'm off to find something more reliable.




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  #3243306 31-May-2024 14:37
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Bosbefork:

 

I get the feeling that 2D engineers or business leads like to play around a lot with shaping and whatever else they feel like doing on any given day. All of this on and off, up and down, working and then not working reminds me a lot of the old days when ISPs would cache websites on their own servers to cut costs, sorry, I mean "speed up delivery".

 

Shaping doesn't happen. Cable cuts do and this is currently affecting all providers trying to send traffic over to Germany. You can go find somebody else but the problem is all providers have issues and you can't route around cable cuts affecting everyone causing congestion on other providers in that region. Also, the majority of the time this is fully outside their own network (it is the nature of the internet - they don't look after everything to the destination you're connecting to).

 

I get you're frustrated, but I can tell you now this is affecting all providers including the absolute massive ones elsewhere in the world.

 

@SALADNZ Your issue is actually a separate one. Thread here: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=312871 





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  #3243313 31-May-2024 14:47
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I'm sure that you are right.

 

But I also see that your signature recommends Quic Broadband.

 

Why do I get the feeling that in spite of any assurances, if I switch to Quic, that large file on Google Drive will mysteriously download without issue?




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  #3243328 31-May-2024 15:15
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Bosbefork: I'm sure that you are right.

 

But I also see that your signature recommends Quic Broadband.

 

Why do I get the feeling that in spite of any assurances, if I switch to Quic, that large file on Google Drive will mysteriously download without issue?

 

PM me a test from your Google Drive and I can test and confirm for you. It's a referral code, I'm with Quic but similar problems are affecting them, along with my parents Skinny connection also. If your files are coming from Germany then I'm afraid not much can be done to get around the fibre cuts and congestion in that area currently as it is affecting everyone.





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  #3243402 31-May-2024 18:26
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I think 11 may be my new lucky number. It took the whole day but eventually that Google Drive zip file downloaded. Hopefully, it's not corrupt or something. 

 

 


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  #3243443 31-May-2024 22:02
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Particularly bad during OUR peak time. Considering the difference with NZ and Europe time zones we should be insulated a bit. But it happens each night.


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  #3243461 1-Jun-2024 00:34
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Bluntj: Particularly bad during OUR peak time. Considering the difference with NZ and Europe time zones we should be insulated a bit. But it happens each night.

 

Not just us competing for bandwidth as our neighbors can be pretty bandwidth hungry too. It's odd though as even on another ISP there are good and bad nights but I do wonder if perhaps it is part of another issue 2degrees are having: https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=312871 

 

Tonight for example it was quite bad over to some servers I have in Germany and France.

 

For troubleshooting, run some MTR's to some destinations you're having problems with.





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  #3257365 8-Jul-2024 12:47
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So, after months of banging my head, the answer to this problem at 2Degrees appears to have been both really simple and also quite obvious. I noted that the only way I could get into my overseas bank account was by using my phone's connection. The connection was so bad on 2Degrees fibre that I had to use my phone just to get into a bank account!

 

Then I wondered what could be different about the networks, found the DNS settings - that's where the problem is!

 

By default, the router supplied by 2Degrees obtains DNS settings automatically. These DNS addresses are then served to individual computers unless otherwise specified. Since I mainly use a laptop for travel, I allow the router to provide DNS server settings. 

 

The problem is that the DNS settings supplied by 2Degrees are broken ;)

 

The fix is to add manual DNS servers to the router rather than allowing 2D to supply their crappy name servers. I gave the router Google's DNS settings and just like that everything appears to be working properly.

 

Crazy that it took so long to figure out because that really should have been one of the first things to look at.


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  #3257373 8-Jul-2024 13:13
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In the first post you claimed you had tried Google DNS.





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  #3257377 8-Jul-2024 13:19
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Hmmm, more than one problem? Or a DNS change on my local machine is overwritten by the router's preferred DNS? I will have changed the DNS on my laptop originally, not on the router itself. Now that I've changed it on the router, the international sites are working just fine again.


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  #3257380 8-Jul-2024 13:21
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Bosbefork: The problem is that the DNS settings supplied by 2Degrees are broken ;)

 

The fix is to add manual DNS servers to the router rather than allowing 2D to supply their crappy name servers. I gave the router Google's DNS settings and just like that everything appears to be working properly.

 

Crazy that it took so long to figure out because that really should have been one of the first things to look at.

 

I highly doubt this else we'll be seeing far more complaints on here...





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  #3257383 8-Jul-2024 13:36
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All I know is that it was really bad a few weeks back. Then it sort of came right for a week or so before falling over again sometime last week. It was simply impossible to even make a simple transaction from an international bank account. To the point that using the phone's network to connect to that bank worked fine when a 300mbps fibre line could not connect at all.

 

Local sites work fine. Some international ones had issues. The average user may not even notice unless they had to connect to the same servers in Germany for work purposes on a daily basis. 

 

Changing the DNS on the router from obtaining them automatically from 2D to manually setting them to Google's DNS servers was the only change that was made and instantly everything started working properly.

 

 


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  #3257391 8-Jul-2024 13:57
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I suspect this is coincidental.

 

As already discussed the problem is due to congested routes over to that part of the world due to conflict. DNS can't magically fix this. Perhaps 2degrees made some routing changes? Perhaps a route is using a better path as a cable got repaired? But really you should test again with 2degrees own DNS servers the compare traceroutes / MTR's to confirm this.





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  #3258267 10-Jul-2024 22:59
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For what its worth - I also have a server with Hetzner, and the bandwidth from NZ on 2D has been terrible since I got the server over a month ago. It seems that sending data is fine (reaching over 80mbps), but any time I try to download data (or even run RDP), the connection cant get much more than about 3mbps.

 

Mine is a dedicated server, running out of HEL1-DC6. So as others have suggested above, this is more likely to be congestion.

 

 

 

Speedtest run on my server, to 2degrees speedtest server.

 


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