Slingshot to make ultra-fast broadband a reality for its customers

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#415038 9-Dec-2010 14:04

richms: $90 a month is too much IMO. Thats the price range that makes some people stick with dialup and not adsl.

yet people would happily drop that amount on SKY TV each month....

and adsl broadband starts at less than $30 a month, not $90. you cant factor in the cost of the phone line rental because you need to pay that before you can get dial up access anyway.

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#415057 9-Dec-2010 14:26

Currently pay $100 for ADSL & Home line so $90 would be great

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#415062 9-Dec-2010 14:50

richms: $90 a month is too much IMO. Thats the price range that makes some people stick with dialup and not adsl.

I don't think you can ever offer fibre based services for dialup speeds, but if this is $70 for 30 Megabit fibre and a homeline then it's much cheaper than what I'm paying slingshot right now ($79 unlimited BB + $41 phone line)

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#415075 9-Dec-2010 15:13

All I can see happening is the higher speeds resulting in people being limited even sooner in the month and questioning why they bothered moving off adsl. The fact that families cant afford to operate internet as they would like needs to be addressed first. 2 kids, 2 hours a night on youtube and its far too expensive. Trying to explain usage limits to kids doesnt work.

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#415078 9-Dec-2010 15:19

Remember in 2005/06 when the government announced LLU, Orcon put out a press release saying they would be able to offer broadband for $10 / month.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0605/S00092.htm

This PR from Slingshot is exactly the same kind of pure PR/marketing bunk.

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#415080 9-Dec-2010 15:20

richms: All I can see happening is the higher speeds resulting in people being limited even sooner in the month and questioning why they bothered moving off adsl. The fact that families cant afford to operate internet as they would like needs to be addressed first. 2 kids, 2 hours a night on youtube and its far too expensive. Trying to explain usage limits to kids doesnt work.

While I agree with the bulk of your comments, are you saying kids don't understand that electricity also costs money per unit? Or in a more general sense, that they don't understand that using a heater for 3 hours a night instead of 2 costs more money?

I'd hope most parents would be able to get across that sort of concept to children of any age.

If electricity was flat rate, I'd leave my aircon going 24*7 just so the house is the right temp when I get home, and I'd leave the ranch slider open in the lounge AS WELL so I could have a nice breeze too :-)

But alas, my retail electricity provider needs to pay the wholesale provider for the units, and those units aren't free, they are the result of significant infrastructure to get the magic smoke from where it's made to where it's going to be ultimately consumed.

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#415084 9-Dec-2010 15:23

Ragnor: Remember in 2005/06 when the government announced LLU, Orcon put out a press release saying they would be able to offer broadband for $10 / month.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU0605/S00092.htm

This PR from Slingshot is exactly the same kind of pure PR/marketing bunk.

Chuckle, what's even funnier is this extract form that article...

"Orcon is planning to participate in local loop unbundling, specifically by offering ADSL2+ services to customers as soon as possible, allowing for the delivery of rich media content over the new network.
With current broadband speeds customers can't stream DVD quality video, use IPTV or download music and other media without waiting long periods of time or exceeding their data caps; it's our plan to make sure that an Orcon customer can do all that and much more. We want to make the speed and quality of our broadband so good, that becoming an Orcon customer is a no brainer."

Hmmm, so back then they thought that high quality video streaming, IPTV, music DL services etc would be ok with ADSL2+, but now those require fibre?

How does that work?

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#415089 9-Dec-2010 15:30

Marketing departments rarely if ever make any sense!

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#415093 9-Dec-2010 15:32

Ragnor: Marketing departments rarely if ever make any sense!

But we should all believe them, this time, right? This time, they're not overstating the benefits at all are they?

Cheers - N

ps. Some people may not detect the sarcasm in the above personal view. It's dripping with it.

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#415100 9-Dec-2010 15:41

Talkiet:

While I agree with the bulk of your comments, are you saying kids don't understand that electricity also costs money per unit? Or in a more general sense, that they don't understand that using a heater for 3 hours a night instead of 2 costs more money?

I'd hope most parents would be able to get across that sort of concept to children of any age.

Actually no, they have no idea what the difference between club penguin and youtube is, it is all the internet.

And thanks to the greenbrainwashing by the schools that is allowed to go on unchecked they also go around turning lights and TVs off yet leave the aircon on and doors open all the time, because they have no concept of difference of those things comsumptions either.

Hell, just the idea of money is hard for kids to understand, even at 8-9

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If electricity was flat rate, I'd leave my aircon going 24*7 just so the house is the right temp when I get home, and I'd leave the ranch slider open in the lounge AS WELL so I could have a nice breeze too :-)

But alas, my retail electricity provider needs to pay the wholesale provider for the units, and those units aren't free, they are the result of significant infrastructure to get the magic smoke from where it's made to where it's going to be ultimately consumed.

Cheers - N :-)

Yeah, electricity is somewhat different. Are you really saying that you think that 4 hours of heating is worth the same as a gigabyte of data just being transfered? I don't think any reasonable person would think so, yet there goes telecom charging $2 to just deliver that gig of data to me.

Its crazy pricing like that which makes the higher speeds of the new network irrelevent. Ask almost anyone on a functioning adsl2+ connection if they would rather have 5x the data or 5x the line speed with no commitment that any services over that line will be any faster and see what results you get eh?

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#415103 9-Dec-2010 15:48

richms: [snip]

Yeah, electricity is somewhat different. Are you really saying that you think that 4 hours of heating is worth the same as a gigabyte of data just being transfered? I don't think any reasonable person would think so, yet there goes telecom charging $2 to just deliver that gig of data to me.
[snip]

I don't think we're ever going to personally agree on this. I'm not going to debate the actual relative worth of a gig of data or x units of electricity - but I do maintain that both have actual costs associated with delivering them to end users, and a very very large portion of that cost is infrastructure build rather than marginal operating expenses.

Trans-pacific fibre builds are expensive.
Hydro power stations are expensive.

Unless you build the costs of building those into the cost of what's generated, then you won't make money.

Telecom is _not_ just charging $2 to deliver that gig to you, there's a lot of expensive infrastructure that needs to be paid for.

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#415105 9-Dec-2010 15:49

Talkiet: Why has no-one commented on this snippet?

"For just $90 a month our customers will receive ultra-fast broadband with unlimited national data [snip]"

So, international sites not included for $90/month? or more likely International speed / caps staying similar to the level of performance offered today by Slingshot?

Interested to see if Slingshot is prepared to address this in the open.

Cheers - N

Hi Talkiet

You are looking at 10Gb of international data with the $90 per month plan and increased bandwidth.

Thanks, I hope this answers your questions :)

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#415110 9-Dec-2010 15:54

Slingshot: [snipped my question]

Hi Talkiet

You are looking at 10Gb of international with the $90 per month plan and increased international bandwidth.

Thanks, I hope this answers your questions :)

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Thanks Aaron, that's a nice clear answer. Here's hoping that whatever eventuates is more accurate than Orcon's $10 LLU Broadband prediction :-)

Interestingly, this $90 for 10GB international / unlimited national now gives us a yardstick to measure roughly how the UFB retail pricing might compare to current ADSL (through Telecom or LLU) pricing and plans. I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.

Although you have left yourself _significant_ wiggle room with the "increased international bandwidth"... Don't get me wrong, I understand better than most on here the economic constraints of provisioning lots of intl BW for customers, but are you talking about a little bit more (doubling or quadrupling), or lots more, like a mbit/customer?

In some ways it's an unfair question since I think I know the answer - or at least I know how I would answer it if I was paying for it, but Slingshot put themselves out there with a press release claiming $90 UFB broadband and left off the two most important factors.

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#415174 9-Dec-2010 18:02

And whats the overage going to cost?

What guarantees are there that it will perform well unlike current slingshot ADSL services?

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#415210 9-Dec-2010 19:04

Northland: Huh, guy on the news said the lowest rate would be $40? I know northpower is bringing it out to us in northland before xmas but who or where do you get it, with your current ISP? This is confusing hope more details than that are released if not on here then on northpower website as to how its gonna work.

No, the news f**cked up as usual. The table/prices they showed was the WHOLESALE price they'll be charging ISPs.

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