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#497636 25-Jul-2011 14:39

The pricing there says $150 a month for 50GB. I wasn't too far from the mark.

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#497656 25-Jul-2011 15:30

We pay $350 a month with unleash for 500GB of national and 50Gb of international on VDSL2. At the moment the ISPs I know offering it are:

- Unleash
- Xtreme
- Worldnet
- Snap (don't seem to anymore though)?

Orcon do not offer it hence why we went with Unleash. Its really the only option if you don't want to spend big $$$$ for faster than 1mbps upload (ie fibre).

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#497741 25-Jul-2011 20:42

1080p: How can 70GB per month even be an option on a 50Mbit/s connection?

Why not? You tend to forget that even on a global basis 70GB represents 5 x the average internet cap. I don't see why everybody associates needing massive 100GB + plans just because the speeds are faster.

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#497753 25-Jul-2011 21:24

Why not? You tend to forget that even on a global basis 70GB represents 5 x the average internet cap. I don't see why everybody associates needing massive 100GB + plans just because the speeds are faster.

I don't "...tend to forget..." that fact. If you take into account that the global average internet downstream speed is roughly 9Mbit/s then I think I am perfectly balanced to think that the data restriction is too small.

An average of 15GB at 9Mbit/s upgraded comparatively should yield a plan that offers 75GB at 45Mbit/s. When you take into account that VDSL is a premium product and should offer more for the price (they certainly charge for it) you see that 70GB per month is sorely lacking.

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#497756 25-Jul-2011 21:28

You have failed to explain why your usage should go up just because your speed does. Why will your habits change?

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#497892 26-Jul-2011 09:41

Because my habits have been restricted from the get go. I have never been satisfied with limits placed upon an essentially unlimited resource. I would say that your data usage increased between dial up and ADSL. The ability to download faster meant you could do more in the same amount of time. The same still applies between ADSL and ADSL2+ and it will apply between ADSL2+ and VDSL or GPON.

I am happy to pay for access and understand that the infrastructure I use is not free and someone has to pay for it but the current limits are and always have been too low - especially for ADSL, on top of that the pricing has always been very high.

What would happen right now if SxC were (at no charge) to double the bandwidth it provides to all of its resellers who in turn doubled the bandwidth they provide to all their ISP customers and so on until it reached the consumer?

What extra costs would be lumped upon SxC as a result of this enormous leap in bandwidth availability? I would wager next to none. Perhaps a small amount (in relative terms) for lighting some still unlit fibre and a small amount of extra maintenance.

What kind of effect would that have on the broadband sector in New Zealand? I would wager it would be revolutionised. I think the majority of complaints about speeds during peak hours would disappear. Massive or 'unlimited' data volumes would easily be permitted.

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#497897 26-Jul-2011 09:50

sbiddle: You have failed to explain why your usage should go up just because your speed does. Why will your habits change?

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#497904 26-Jul-2011 10:06

SXC capacity has been doubled around every 2 years with corresponding 40-50% rate cuts.

Last upgrade was in 2010, next upgrade to 40G tech is in 2012.

The bottom line is international transit out of NZ is still expensive, still only affordable at a high contention ratio eg: 10Mbit for every 100, 200, 400? customers - we don't know exactly (not public knowledge and depends on the ISP.

So you still need either shaping (Slingshot AYCE, Telecom BigTime/Go large etc) or pricing per GB to even out usage and ensure fair use.

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#497906 26-Jul-2011 10:08

1080p: What would happen right now if SxC were (at no charge) to double the bandwidth it provides to all of its resellers who in turn doubled the bandwidth they provide to all their ISP customers and so on until it reached the consumer?

International bandwidth isn't the only cost for an ISP, national transit also plays a major part.

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#497908 26-Jul-2011 10:13

UFB will dramatically change the domestic landscape.

Pacific Fibre should have a significant impact on international transit.

First retail UFB plan (Northland) is 50Mbit/50mbit w/ 150GB data for $99
http://www.ubergroup.co.nz/fibre/plans-fibre.beef

I think the future is looking brighter than the present.

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#497945 26-Jul-2011 11:30

Ragnor: UFB will dramatically change the domestic landscape.

Pacific Fibre should have a significant impact on international transit.

First retail UFB plan (Northland) is 50Mbit/50mbit w/ 150GB data for $99
http://www.ubergroup.co.nz/fibre/plans-fibre.beef

I think the future is looking brighter than the present.

OMG that is INSANE. When are they in Auckland?

I'd pay 4x that happily!

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#497946 26-Jul-2011 11:31

In the top of queen st (near the old ihug building) they still don't have VDSL. It's hard to believe my home in Mt Roskill has it though.

I can't understand the delay. I am even surprised there are no cabinets being installed there.

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#498733 27-Jul-2011 22:49

networkn: In the top of queen st (near the old ihug building) they still don't have VDSL. It's hard to believe my home in Mt Roskill has it though.

I can't understand the delay. I am even surprised there are no cabinets being installed there.

TelstraClear might have coverage there from their Pitt St cabinet.

1080p: How can 70GB per month even be an option on a 50Mbit/s connection?

Dont expect to get 50Mbps just because its theoretically possible for a user right next to the cabinet. Even 500m should reduce the sync speeds a fair bit, so what speed is your ADSL2+ syncing at? Any less than 198Mbps and that will be your max for VDSL2 as well.

I'm not expecting the UFB programme to change environment as much as it could have, since a lot of it sounds like will be re-using Telecom's exchanges with the investment in high-cost infrastructure, power etc. Colocation costs will have to come down alot before there is really healthy competition, and Chorus seems to be better at extracting every last cent from footprints than making everything more efficient. I reckon they should break the mould — pick some exchanges that can be cleaned out and converted to 100% fibre and 240VAC.

Time to find a new industry!

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#498737 27-Jul-2011 22:52

I get 19Mbit from the cabinet I am on now.
Are you saying I'll get 19Mbit from VDSL?

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#498746 27-Jul-2011 23:11

Ragnor: UFB will dramatically change the domestic landscape.

Pacific Fibre should have a significant impact on international transit.

First retail UFB plan (Northland) is 50Mbit/50mbit w/ 150GB data for $99
http://www.ubergroup.co.nz/fibre/plans-fibre.beef

I think the future is looking brighter than the present.

Actual download speeds to anything outside of NZ and Australia will be much much slower than the advertised 50/50, and that is before you take into account the congestion which ISPs will run at if they are to stick within those prices.

I actually feel sorry for guys like ubergroup who are located outside of the main cities, their backhaul charges alone for decent 10gig connectivity would be horrendous, let alone the transit costs on top of that.

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