Slingshot to make ultra-fast broadband a reality for its customers

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#415212 9-Dec-2010 19:07

richms: $90 a month is too much IMO. Thats the price range that makes some people stick with dialup and not adsl.

For a 30mbit fibre connection? Stop being so cheap. If you want cheap internet, go back to dialup or crappy DSL..

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#415341 10-Dec-2010 02:22

@ Concerns of earlier posters, I would imagine that they will be purchasing more data, & also, just with the way UFB operates as opposed to ADSL, it would provide faster speeds, as there are no nasty 45kbps allocations.

Unlimited national traffic looks good. ( Its about time too, very silly national traffic counting towards data caps )

The question & its corresponding questions I have for the Slingshot staff is:
"What will happen when the 10gb cap is used up ?"
-Will international be slowed to 64kbps or will both national & international be slowed to 64kbps ?
-Will there be a faster capped speed coming out with UFB , eg 128kbps or more ?
-Will there be the option of overage charges & will the customer have the choice of being capped or overage charges ?

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#415343 10-Dec-2010 03:04

Whooooly sh!t that is a good deal. We currently pay $1000 a month for that (albeit it better SLA) for only 10mbps!!!!

Will Slingshot be improving its caching infrastructure significantly? Need more CDNs peering here maybe at APE too! Or even that new Vocus peering product which gets 100mbps port to Sydney (quite a few CDNs there) for $2000~ a month?

Wonder if Sky/TVNZ/TV3 will start offering all channels HD streaming?

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#415364 10-Dec-2010 07:50

Zeon: Whooooly sh!t that is a good deal. We currently pay $1000 a month for that (albeit it better SLA) for only 10mbps!!!!

The question really goes back to the first page... It's a good deal, but for one we still don't know what is the limit for international usage, and if they don't sort out their existing infrastructure, who can say the same performance seen on existing plans won't be indicatives of what's coming?

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#415395 10-Dec-2010 09:30

the wholesale prices were only announced a few days ago, and even then were only indicative.

There is simply no way that Slingshot (or any other ISP for that matter) will have had time to put work out the full costs involved (if that is even possible at this stage) and come up with a price point they will bring to market. This is a PR stunt and nothing more.

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#415403 10-Dec-2010 09:47

NonprayingMantis: the wholesale prices were only announced a few days ago, and even then were only indicative.

There is simply no way that Slingshot (or any other ISP for that matter) will have had time to put work out the full costs involved (if that is even possible at this stage) and come up with a price point they will bring to market. This is a PR stunt and nothing more.

Thats a bit harsh. I would imagine most ISP's will have run business cases for a variety of wholesale price scenarios and calculated the retail price dimension (for access at least) that would result from those scenarios.

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#415436 10-Dec-2010 10:51

I'm currently on hold and have been for 12 min trying to get a status update on a fault that has meant that a schools lines mysteriously got moved to some other provider last Friday. I don't care for apologies I just want action. And some haste would be nice.

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#415495 10-Dec-2010 12:32

Whoops in my annoyance, I posted in the wrong forum.

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#415520 10-Dec-2010 13:32

k1wi: xDSL upstream can go upwards of 1mbit - you just need Annex M (ADSL2+), which no one has felt like offering yet.

@ talkiet - if you have to 'buy' international data in packs (say of 2/5/10GB) on top, you're probably still looking at a competitive rate compared with what is being offered by other providers. Let alone in the harder to reach rural field. I would hardly see VDSL (as a comparative urban landline service) being any more competitive.

Am I correct in believing this is the LTE service? Or was that a separate announcement?

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#416924 14-Dec-2010 09:47

i'm happy with my current speed 10mbps is good enough...

i'd prefer unlimited usage plan

speed racing means nothing if we can actually use it

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#416969 14-Dec-2010 10:52

dannywii: i'm happy with my current speed 10mbps is good enough...

i'd prefer unlimited usage plan

speed racing means nothing if we can actually use it

There is no way you will ever get unlimited usage - even national as long as Telecom Wholesale is in the mix. Put it this way, they provision something like 32kbps per subscriber so ISPs have to have low data caps to make sure network performance stays acceptable (which is in part why high use ISPs like Slingshot get poor performance during peak - even to National).

UFB has a minimum of 2.5mbps (2500kbps) so around 80x the provisioned bandwidth per user so it will be much easier for ISPs to offer unlimited plans. As in Slingshots announcement though you may only see unlimited for National plans with slower speeds for international or a higher cost.

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#417030 14-Dec-2010 12:44

Zeon:
There is no way you will ever get unlimited usage - even national as long as Telecom Wholesale is in the mix. Put it this way, they provision something like 32kbps per subscriber so ISPs have to have low data caps to make sure network performance stays acceptable (which is in part why high use ISPs like Slingshot get poor performance during peak - even to National).

I doubt that unlimited national would be on the cards regardless of who is in the mix. there is a cost associated with trunking data accross the country... fibre, routers, interconnects etc. If everyone had unlimited national traffic i expect that the backbones would start to be saturated fairly quickly too - especially if everyone was connecting at 30-100mbps. Just imagine the fun that the backhaul providers would have with network management each time a newly hacked 'warez' box appeared somewhere in the country.

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#417031 14-Dec-2010 12:44

Zeon:
There is no way you will ever get unlimited usage - even national as long as Telecom Wholesale is in the mix. Put it this way, they provision something like 32kbps per subscriber so ISPs have to have low data caps to make sure network performance stays acceptable (which is in part why high use ISPs like Slingshot get poor performance during peak - even to National).

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#417042 14-Dec-2010 12:59

Also remember that wholesale limits and prices are set by the Commerce Commission.

Hating Telecom won't solve anything. Think of those who are here to protect yourself from whatever is the boggeyman of the day.n

Don't like Telecom's profits? No problem, let the commission determine everything then. Just don't complain afterwards.

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#417090 14-Dec-2010 14:32

richms: $90 a month is too much IMO. Thats the price range that makes some people stick with dialup and not adsl.

At what point did you decide (for instance) $90 per month for electricity is too much, and makes you stick with your coal fire for heat, cooking, and hot water?

If Internet is such a critical and essential service to you [that you have good quality and high speed], then you will pay for a plan which best meets your needs. I happily pay far more than $90 per month because it's worth it to me to have a high speed connection that allows me to work sitting next to my pool, rather than from an office. On the flip side, TV isn't important to me at all - so I don't pay for it.

As others have pointed out, there are inherent costs in providing that service, and many of them don't those costs don't decrease (for instance engineers expect a pay rise). I've often wondered why Internet is one of the very few services that people expect to go down in price while everything else increases in price regularly. My electricity price has gone up by 10c/kWh in the last 3 years while my Internet price has gone down.

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