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#406055 17-Nov-2010 20:16

Vodafone has a ~$17 plan..

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#406069 17-Nov-2010 20:45

kyhwana2: Vodafone has a ~$17 plan..

Indeed, let's compare:

2degrees: $29/mth
60 minutes available any time of the day or night
+100 bonus minutes available any time of the day or night
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160 minutes per month
1000 SMS
50MB data

Additional calls @44c/min any time, or 30c/min if you buy an Everyone100 pack.
Additional SMS @9c/SMS any network.
Additional data @50c/MB

Top 20 international destinations - 22c/min landlines, and some mobiles, 44c to other mobiles
Other international calls $1.44/min

Vodafone: $17.30/mth
20 minutes available any time of the day or night
+60 minutes only available nights & weekends
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80 minutes some of which can only be used at certain times of the week
100 SMS
10 MMS
100MB data

Additional calls $1.02/min (daytime) or 51c/min (nights & weekends)
Additional SMS 20c/message any network
International calls - big 5: $1.43/min (daytime) or 51c/min (nights & weekends)
Some other international $2.03/min (daytime) or $1.43/min (nights & weekends)
All else $2.03/min
Additional data 11c/MB

Sooooo - On Vodafone, use up your 80 minutes, and then assume you make another 80 minutes (to equal 2degrees) when it suits; let's say that's 50/50 on/off peak - will cost an extra $61.20.

Use up your 100 SMS, send another 900 (to equal 2degrees) - will cost an extra $180.

Use up your 100MB of data, and another 100MB, will cost you $11.00

On 2degrees, use up your 50MB and buy another 3x50MB packs (to equal the 200MB), this will cost you $18.

Total cost on Vodafone: $269.50
Total cost on 2degrees: $47.00

Yes. Vodafone DO have a $17.30/mth plan. Do you still want it?

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#406073 17-Nov-2010 20:54

Just signed up ....

$29 plan + $20 MobileBB 1GB every month.

How easy was that? took like 5min... transfered all my credit over -thank you double top up store openings ;)

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#406078 17-Nov-2010 20:59

Depends how much you use.. if you use within the limits of the $17 plan, that's all you need..
Mostly talking about a friend who is on the easy 20 plan, but owuld have to break his vodafone 12 month contract to switch..

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#406089 17-Nov-2010 21:27

kyhwana2: Depends how much you use.. if you use within the limits of the $17 plan, that's all you need..
Mostly talking about a friend who is on the easy 20 plan, but owuld have to break his vodafone 12 month contract to switch..

Of course Vodafone keep you in bondage for 12 months with that plan. How anyone would commit to 12 months torture with VF with everything that's happening in this industry at the moment is beyond me.

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#406113 17-Nov-2010 22:35

reven: convenience, and you dont get 100 free texts for $20 a month, you only get that if you top up every month, ie what if you already have credit? i rather just pay a small monthly fee (even if im actually paying a little less), than worrying about every call/text/email i send/make costing me money. i just think it would be a good option for a $19ish plan as well.

What you are saying doesn't make sense, as the two are equivalent. On one hand, your pay monthly would cost you $19, on the other hand you could topup $20 per month. There's no reason to topup more than $20 as that is the "monthly cost" we're talking about. I can't see a reason why you would have more credit than that, except that you didn't spend your $20 last month which means any calls texts you have to pay for now are "free" compared to pay monthly.

Why wold you worry about every text/call etc when they are the same price/cheaper than they would be under the pay monthly plan you suggested? Does it make you feel better to pay for them in advance so yuo feel like you have to use them?

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#406114 17-Nov-2010 22:40

bazzer: Does it make you feel better to pay for them in advance so yuo feel like you have to use them?

Well, you don't HAVE to use them; they carry over for a year. :)

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#406118 17-Nov-2010 22:47

SaltyNZ:
kyhwana2: Vodafone has a ~$17 plan..

Indeed, let's compare:

2degrees: $29/mth
60 minutes available any time of the day or night
+100 bonus minutes available any time of the day or night
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160 minutes per month
1000 SMS
50MB data

Additional calls @44c/min any time, or 30c/min if you buy an Everyone100 pack.
Additional SMS @9c/SMS any network.
Additional data @50c/MB

Top 20 international destinations - 22c/min landlines, and some mobiles, 44c to other mobiles
Other international calls $1.44/min

Vodafone: $17.30/mth
20 minutes available any time of the day or night
+60 minutes only available nights & weekends
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80 minutes some of which can only be used at certain times of the week
100 SMS
10 MMS
100MB data

Additional calls $1.02/min (daytime) or 51c/min (nights & weekends)
Additional SMS 20c/message any network
International calls - big 5: $1.43/min (daytime) or 51c/min (nights & weekends)
Some other international $2.03/min (daytime) or $1.43/min (nights & weekends)
All else $2.03/min
Additional data 11c/MB

Sooooo - On Vodafone, use up your 80 minutes, and then assume you make another 80 minutes (to equal 2degrees) when it suits; let's say that's 50/50 on/off peak - will cost an extra $61.20.

Use up your 100 SMS, send another 900 (to equal 2degrees) - will cost an extra $180.

Use up your 100MB of data, and another 100MB, will cost you $11.00

On 2degrees, use up your 50MB and buy another 3x50MB packs (to equal the 200MB), this will cost you $18.

Total cost on Vodafone: $269.50
Total cost on 2degrees: $47.00

Yes. Vodafone DO have a $17.30/mth plan. Do you still want it?

I'm a 2degrees fan, but this is the sort of analysis I would expect from Vodafone! It is illogical to compare the $29 and $17 plans in the manner you have. If someone is likely to use 160 minutes, they wouldn't sign up for that plan in the first place.

It's like comparing your $29 and $39 plan and saying the $29 is rubbish as the $39 is better value. It's true, but only under certain circumstances. Otherwise everyone would just sign up for the $39 plan. Oh wait, the $59 plan, $89....

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#406132 18-Nov-2010 00:17

bazzer:
Total cost on Vodafone: $269.50
Total cost on 2degrees: $47.00

Yes. Vodafone DO have a $17.30/mth plan. Do you still want it?

I'm a 2degrees fan, but this is the sort of analysis I would expect from Vodafone! It is illogical to compare the $29 and $17 plans in the manner you have. If someone is likely to use 160 minutes, they wouldn't sign up for that plan in the first place.

It's like comparing your $29 and $39 plan and saying the $29 is rubbish as the $39 is better value. It's true, but only under certain circumstances. Otherwise everyone would just sign up for the $39 plan. Oh wait, the $59 plan, $89....

Sorry but I don't agree at all, overage charges from Vodafone and Telecom have been horrific.

Why would you buy the $17 plan and not the $39 plan? Perhaps because 11 months of the year thats all you use, why do you then get stung with 10X price overages for that one month you do go over.

For example, the last 6 months on XT I purchased 4GB of data for $60 because I was scared to go over, and only used 500MB of it, one month I went over by 8GB (no DSL, new flat) and was charged $800 for it. Thats a markup of over 10X.

Did my unused 42GB rollover? Nup.
Overage charges with 2 Degree's are FAIR.

So yeah, get the $17 dollar plan, and one month Vodafone will get you with a $200 charge for a extra $20 of services and have make their money back. It's Telco Russian roulette.

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#406138 18-Nov-2010 02:04

exportgoldman:

Why would you buy the $17 plan and not the $39 plan? Perhaps because 11 months of the year thats all you use, why do you then get stung with 10X price overages for that one month you do go over.

For example, the last 6 months on XT I purchased 4GB of data for $60 because I was scared to go over, and only used 500MB of it, one month I went over by 8GB (no DSL, new flat) and was charged $800 for it. Thats a markup of over 10X.

Did my unused 42GB rollover? Nup.
Overage charges with 2 Degree's are FAIR.

So yeah, get the $17 dollar plan, and one month Vodafone will get you with a $200 charge for a extra $20 of services and have make their money back. It's Telco Russian roulette.

Beware - long post. I clearly have too much time on my hands at 2am :D

TL/DR version: For this guys pure data usage, XT is actually cheaper than 2D.

A few points before we get into the calcs.

firstly if you paid that much for 16Gb of data in one month then that is really your own fault for paying so much more than you needed to. if you were going to go over your 8GB (4GB+4GB auto double for $30 extra) and into overage at 10c/MB for an extra 8GB of data, then why wouldn't you just buy another prepaid SIM and rebuy the 4GB plan again for $60? much cheaper than your supposed $800 overage (didn't you realise how much it was costing you when you had to constantly topup? you say you bought the 4GB plan for $60 so you must be on prepaid for the bonus topup to give you that price)

secondly, 2degrees data doesn't roll over either. the larger plans have longer expiry, but that is different than data roll over.

thirdly overage charges on 2D (which you say are 'fair') are exactly the same as XT. 10c/MB vs 10c/MB. Voda charge a whopping 1c more at 11c/MB! What is more if you forget to buy a new MBB plan on 2D after your current one expires you default onto the casual rate of 50c/MB(!) Not so on XT or Voda where it is 10c/MB. The advantage of 2D is that you can buy more data packs anytime you like, whereas to do that on XT or Voda you will need a second SIM card if you have gone to the max in that particular month.

fourthly if you buy the 4GB plan XT and massively under use it (as you did) then you will pay much less than the total $80 cost because it is billed at the first 800MB @10c/Mb then the remaining 3.2GB is free. and that doesn't even take into account the effect of bonus topup which gives you an effective 25% discount (so the $80 plan only costs $60), so those 500MB per month, on the 4GB plan, would actually have cost you less than $40, not the $60 you claim. 2Degrees charge you upfront for the whole thing, so if you don't use the plan for whatever reason within the allotted time that's tough, the money is gone.

fifthly, 2D have the unique position of charging differing rates depending on where you are in the country. neither XT or Vodafone do that for mobile data. so much for getting rid of 'Da Vinci Code' pricing.

sixthly, where do you get unused 42GB from? you had 6 months of a 4Gb plan (of which you used 0.5Gb) so your unused data would be 6 x 3.5 = 21GB, not 42GB.

Ok, Onto the calculation.
I'm assuming here that ALL your data takes place in the areas where 2D have their cheaper pricing. If that wasn't the case then the difference is magnified even more.

since this happened before 2D changed their pricing a few weeks back I'm going to use the older pricing that you would have had back then. (Under current rates I haven't worked it out but it probably is cheaper on 2D.)

for your first 6 months on XT you bought large plans but didn't use them.

OK, assuming you went down a similar road with 2D - thinking you were going to use lots of data and so buying large plans - you would probably have bought the 10GB plan which was $150 with 3 month expiry (it's not anymore, but that is what it was before). so those first 6 months would have cost you 2 x $150 on 2Degree. and you end that 6 months with no credit left and no data left to use cos it all expired. (the first one expires end of month 3, the second expires end of month 6)

On XT prepaid, buying the 4GB plan each month, you would only have used up $50 of credit each month on that first 500MB (for reasons stated above about how XT bill this prepaid data plan @ 10c/MB for the first 800MB). so the first 6 months would have cost you $300 of credit. But wait, with bonus topup you could actually have only topped up 4 lots of $60 ($240 total) and received $320 of total credit.
so at the end of your first 6 months you come out of 2D having spent $300, and XT having spent only $240 and still have $20 of credit left. (4 x $60 topups = 4 x $80 credit = $320 credit)

Now when you look at your last month, where you used 16GB of data, how much would that have cost you on 2D? either 2 x 10GB packs for a further $300 or 10GB + 3 x 2GB both would have cost you $300, but you would sensibly opt for the 2 x 10Gb packs since it leaves you with 4Gb remaining to use in the next 2 months. total cost of final month = $300

how much for 16GB in one month on XT? well the first 8GB would have cost you $80 of credit for the 4GB + $30 for the extra 4GB. You still had $20 left over from the first 6 months remember, so that means you need only $90 of credit on your SIM. you can get that with a $60 topup (giving you $80) and a further $20 topup, (giving you $25). so the first 8GB cost you an extra $80 (and leave you with $15 credit left for next month)
to get the second 8GB we aren't going to be silly enough to use overage, so we'll simply buy a SIM for $30. We need $110 of credit to get 8GB. it comes with $10 credit on there. We'll then topup $60 (to get $80)and another $20 (to get $25). so our second 8GB cost us $30 for SIM + $80 cost of credit=$110
total up those 16GB cost on XT and you get $80 for the first 8GB plus $110 for the second. total cost of final month = $190.

so total cost of your 7 month usage on XT = $240 + $190 = $430 and you still have $15 credit leftover
total cost of your 7 month usage on 2Degrees = $300 + $300 = $600. that is nearly 50% MORE on 2degrees than on XT. and you still have 4GB of data to use over the next 2 months. Don't forget that $600 assumes you use zero data outside the regions.

Now, there are plenty of reasons:, usage patterns, locations, coverage, etc why people may, or may not decide to choose 2D, XT or Vodafone. I am simply pointing out that for the specific usage and plan buying behavior exportgoldman stated, he would have been actually better off on XT than he would have been on 2D.

(it's 2am so if anyone wants to check my math, go right ahead)

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#406148 18-Nov-2010 07:08

NonprayingMantis:
Beware - long post. I clearly have too much time on my hands at 2am :D

TL/DR version: For this guys pure data usage, XT is actually cheaper than 2D.

Indeed you do! :-)

I guess it goes back to what the other guy said: it depends on how you use it. For voice & text, it would be hard to find a plan that's cheaper than 2degrees, unless you seriously believe you're going to use 5000 SMS in a month.

Otherwise, you're right, it did look cheaper for data on XT. But that's a pretty convoluted process you have to adhere to very closely in order to get it that way. MBB Zones aside, we're trying to keep it as simple as possible. :-D

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#406154 18-Nov-2010 07:44

bazzer:
reven: convenience, and you dont get 100 free texts for $20 a month, you only get that if you top up every month, ie what if you already have credit? i rather just pay a small monthly fee (even if im actually paying a little less), than worrying about every call/text/email i send/make costing me money. i just think it would be a good option for a $19ish plan as well.

What you are saying doesn't make sense, as the two are equivalent. On one hand, your pay monthly would cost you $19, on the other hand you could topup $20 per month. There's no reason to topup more than $20 as that is the "monthly cost" we're talking about. I can't see a reason why you would have more credit than that, except that you didn't spend your $20 last month which means any calls texts you have to pay for now are "free" compared to pay monthly.

Why wold you worry about every text/call etc when they are the same price/cheaper than they would be under the pay monthly plan you suggested? Does it make you feel better to pay for them in advance so yuo feel like you have to use them?

2d stores had a special where they doubled your credit, so i paid $100 for $200 credit. after i put that credit on my account i only had 30 days for the texts, which is now gone, so no more free texts.

i rather know i have minutes to use that ive already paid for, then know that every call i make is costing me more money. i like knowing up front how much something is going to cost me, rather than having it fluctuate all the time.
ive always been on contract/monthly plan, only been on prepay for the last few months after switching to 2D, and i really did prefer having so many minutes/texts/data a month. but like i say, i only use about $10-$20 a month, so i wouldnt use enough for the $29 plan.

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#406161 18-Nov-2010 08:35

reven: ..

i rather know i have minutes to use that ive already paid for, then know that every call i make is costing me more money. i like knowing up front how much something is going to cost me, rather than having it fluctuate all the time.
ive always been on contract/monthly plan, only been on prepay for the last few months after switching to 2D, and i really did prefer having so many minutes/texts/data a month. but like i say, i only use about $10-$20 a month, so i wouldnt use enough for the $29 plan.

The problem with Vodafone (and probably Telecom) was I didn't know that a call was costing me money. I had a plan where I had 200 minutes to VF. But without checking first that the 021 number I was calling wasn't a ported Telecom number, I would never know if the call was going to cost me 80c/minute or whatever or just be part of my 200 minutes. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was a 20 minute call to a 021 number that cost me $18.

With 120 minutes airtime to any network or landline with 2D and the bonus 100 minutes I don't care so much now. I just check each day or so what my current balance is and can plan my usage accordingly.

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#406164 18-Nov-2010 08:37

the thing the really bugged me with vodafone was i had 120 minutes (or something, iphone 80 plan) but voicemail calls weren't included in those minutes and charged on top. why the heck is that? my bill each month was always a few bucks over $80 because of voicemail.

not sure if this is the same with 2d or telecom, i hope its not.

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#406171 18-Nov-2010 08:57

These plans sounds good. Sadly I'm more of a data/txt user so I only spend ~$30 for 1gb data and 1000txts (now 2000) with the odd call.

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