2 Degrees Stuffed Up (or not)?

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slippers

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#417977 16-Dec-2010 09:51

I think now that a 3rd player has entered the market, the number portability system that is currently used has been found out....

I'm noticing a lot of -general- flakeyness with all types of porting scenarios lately... (with only limited knowledge, by 'flakeyness' is as technical as Im going to get today)

..particularly 021 MSISDN's that have been ported from Voda to Telstra, Orcon or just any MVNO and then onto XT or 2degrees.

I think I saw a post from Salty a while back where he breifly wrote about another way that it could be done that would guarantee instant portability?

SaltyNZ

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#417980 16-Dec-2010 09:55

slippers:

I think I saw a post from Salty a while back where he breifly wrote about another way that it could be done that would guarantee instant portability?

No, what I was getting at was that there's another way to do it which would greatly increase the reliability of international SMS where porting is involved. But that has nothing to do with the speed of the initial porting process.

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slippers

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#417995 16-Dec-2010 10:12

uh! fail.

Can anyone lamen up how portability actually works for us in NZ? is it conforming to some world standard? is it an adaption? or is it some plug-it-in-and-see-if-it-works standard?

:)

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#418001 16-Dec-2010 10:24

slippers: uh! fail.

Can anyone lamen up how portability actually works for us in NZ? is it conforming to some world standard? is it an adaption? or is it some plug-it-in-and-see-if-it-works standard?

:)

There isn't really a worldwide standard for how number portability should work beyond the general principle of All Call Query (i.e. check & route every call).

At the national level, the details of passing around porting databases are left up to the national authorities, if and when those authorities decide to implement NP. Within the networks the details of how you go about doing the checks on each call are left up to the operator.

3GPP recommends that the STP be used as the primary mode of NP routing, but other schemes can and do work, such as each node having it's own database, or using an IN service to do lookups.

Each scheme has it's own advantages and disadvantages and any operator could use any or all three at the same time.

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NonprayingMantis

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#418028 16-Dec-2010 10:57

graemeh:
aw: Where the SIM is in set-and-forget devices like alarm notifiers, backup internet connections, and emergency phones for the elderly (as greengeek says) are valid points - these are all devices where expiry warning texts may not be received, understood and acted on by a person.

Personally I think auto topup on credit expiry would be important for applications like those.

Does Telecom still have a plan where you can have your mobile put onto your existing Telecom account and you are only charged for usage with a $0 monthly fee? This would seem ideal for this situation.

yes, it;s called 'all on the one bill' or something like that. If it works the same as the CDMA one did, then it never expires as long as you have a telecom fixed line (and you never need to top up either, since any charges just go on your telecom bill).

xor

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#421029 23-Dec-2010 15:55

I understand the need for reusing numbers (large amounts of tourists buying temporary phones for example) but I think there should be a different way of handling it.

joff_nz

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#422323 29-Dec-2010 08:14

What would you suggest?

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jords12

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#425222 8-Jan-2011 15:42

It's a tricky one - The suggestion of the auto top up being charged to keep it active would be great for some people, but then another group would be v-v-v-v-very angry that the sim card they forgot about has just charged them money. And you could add a setting, but that makes everything more complex and somebody might still set it to charge them and then be angry a year later that it did.

Maybe you could pay a fee in advance, and then they would contact you before expiring the SIM.

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