Flip speed compared to other providers

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rodloc

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#114031 5-Feb-2013 18:03

What is average speed of Flip compared to other providers i am considering switching to Flip.

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#756218 5-Feb-2013 18:50

Flip themselves are far less likely to be better or worse than any other provider than you are to have dodgy wiring or be in a location which has saturated backhaul and so on.

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#756646 6-Feb-2013 17:38

I was very impressed with the speed/s of Flip when i was a customer.

dkedr

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#756749 6-Feb-2013 22:13

speedtest.net says 8Mb/s down and 1Mb/s up. Downstream speed was reportedly faster with Orcon, but it's not noticeable at all.

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#756790 7-Feb-2013 08:33

Feedback received has been very positive due to our new core network, own international links and spare capacity.

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#756886 7-Feb-2013 12:29

I have been very impressed with Flip so far, my upstream and downstream speeds are higher than I was getting with Orcon, and everything loads extremely quickly.

I would often have DNS issues resolving sites with Orcon, but no problems with Flip so far.

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#777144 8-Mar-2013 22:12

I have posted my experience so far including line stats, speed tests, pings, tracerts, etc in comparison with my previous Telecom connection at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=&postid=9590513#post9590513

Sorry if the link doesn't appear as a link, because I am new around here I'm not yet allowed to post links according to the reply page.

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#777474 9-Mar-2013 20:02

I'm using flip for 1.5 months now, so far i'm pleased with them, everyday i watch streaming tvs and youtube and only experience minor lags.

for the speedtest I got around 8Mbps download and 800 Kbps upload, it's enough for me.

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#777555 10-Mar-2013 07:42

unowho08: I have posted my experience so far including line stats, speed tests, pings, tracerts, etc in comparison with my previous Telecom connection at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=&postid=9590513#post9590513

Sorry if the link doesn't appear as a link, because I am new around here I'm not yet allowed to post links according to the reply page.

Since you didn't use the correct DNS your testing can't really be considered accurate. Using Google DNS as your primary DNS server in NZ is a very bad idea unless you're fully aware of the implications of doing so, and your high latency to google is a perfect example of the implications.

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#777626 10-Mar-2013 13:50

sbiddle:
unowho08: I have posted my experience so far including line stats, speed tests, pings, tracerts, etc in comparison with my previous Telecom connection at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=&postid=9590513#post9590513

Sorry if the link doesn't appear as a link, because I am new around here I'm not yet allowed to post links according to the reply page.

Since you didn't use the correct DNS your testing can't really be considered accurate. Using Google DNS as your primary DNS server in NZ is a very bad idea unless you're fully aware of the implications of doing so, and your high latency to google is a perfect example of the implications.

It wasn't Google DNS, it was unblock-us; the results of what is achievable on Flip using Flip's DNS still stand. Just as an aside, do you have any idea why the DNS would impact the speed so much (as little as 1/10 of the speed)?

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#777631 10-Mar-2013 14:25

unowho08:
sbiddle:
unowho08: I have posted my experience so far including line stats, speed tests, pings, tracerts, etc in comparison with my previous Telecom connection at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=&postid=9590513#post9590513

Sorry if the link doesn't appear as a link, because I am new around here I'm not yet allowed to post links according to the reply page.

Since you didn't use the correct DNS your testing can't really be considered accurate. Using Google DNS as your primary DNS server in NZ is a very bad idea unless you're fully aware of the implications of doing so, and your high latency to google is a perfect example of the implications.

It wasn't Google DNS, it was unblock-us; the results of what is achievable on Flip using Flip's DNS still stand. Just as an aside, do you have any idea why the DNS would impact the speed so much (as little as 1/10 of the speed)?

Yes. Because DNS is a critical component of how the internet works. With CDN's now forming the basis of global content delivery for many major sites and content providers using a 3rd party DNS can easily have a major impact on your internet experience.

The most common impact of 3rd party DNS speed reductions as content may be served (for example) from the US rather than locally in NZ or Sydney which is now a major CDN hub. Your traceroute to Google shows exactly this - Google will be coming from your ISP's cache if they have a Google box, or Sydney if they don't. Your ping to google has to go all the way to the US because of your DNS settings as the DNS you're using isn't aware of your geographic location to redirect the CDN traffic to the closest CDN location.

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#777636 10-Mar-2013 14:39

sbiddle:
unowho08:
sbiddle:
unowho08: I have posted my experience so far including line stats, speed tests, pings, tracerts, etc in comparison with my previous Telecom connection at http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=&postid=9590513#post9590513

Sorry if the link doesn't appear as a link, because I am new around here I'm not yet allowed to post links according to the reply page.

Since you didn't use the correct DNS your testing can't really be considered accurate. Using Google DNS as your primary DNS server in NZ is a very bad idea unless you're fully aware of the implications of doing so, and your high latency to google is a perfect example of the implications.

It wasn't Google DNS, it was unblock-us; the results of what is achievable on Flip using Flip's DNS still stand. Just as an aside, do you have any idea why the DNS would impact the speed so much (as little as 1/10 of the speed)?

Yes. Because DNS is a critical component of how the internet works. With CDN's now forming the basis of global content delivery for many major sites and content providers using a 3rd party DNS can easily have a major impact on your internet experience.

The most common impact of 3rd party DNS speed reductions as content may be served (for example) from the US rather than locally in NZ or Sydney which is now a major CDN hub. Your traceroute to Google shows exactly this - Google will be coming from your ISP's cache if they have a Google box, or Sydney if they don't. Your ping to google has to go all the way to the US because of your DNS settings as the DNS you're using isn't aware of your geographic location to redirect the CDN traffic to the closest CDN location.

Cheers! So in relation to the speedtests, how would they be affected given that if you select a speedtest in a specific location, shouldn't it test it from that location and not serve it from a CDN?

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#777640 10-Mar-2013 14:48

unowho08:
Cheers! So in relation to the speedtests, how would they be affected given that if you select a speedtest in a specific location, shouldn't it test it from that location and not serve it from a CDN?

No. Depends on CDN's and peering.

Perform a test to Citylink Wellington for example and if you're on an ISP that doesn't peer at WIX the test will be to the server in Los Angeles.

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#777642 10-Mar-2013 14:52

sbiddle:
unowho08:
Cheers! So in relation to the speedtests, how would they be affected given that if you select a speedtest in a specific location, shouldn't it test it from that location and not serve it from a CDN?

No. Depends on CDN's and peering.

Perform a test to Citylink Wellington for example and if you're on an ISP that doesn't peer at WIX the test will be to the server in Los Angeles.

So that basically confirms that speedtests are pointless for comparing speeds due to peering if you select one speedtest location and it actually comes from somewhere else entirely.

fellaintga

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#777652 10-Mar-2013 15:18

sbiddle:
unowho08:
Cheers! So in relation to the speedtests, how would they be affected given that if you select a speedtest in a specific location, shouldn't it test it from that location and not serve it from a CDN?

No. Depends on CDN's and peering.

Perform a test to Citylink Wellington for example and if you're on an ISP that doesn't peer at WIX the test will be to the server in Los Angeles.

Tried it made no difference to speed. As long as your ISP is not doing its own caching and routing the DNS query to a different location than what google DNS will give you then it will make no difference in actual speed. For example I can't use iSKY unless I use my ISP DNS as the CDN comes back with the wrong IP and it won't play.