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#21548 30-Apr-2008 12:45
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Today I got this press release in my Inbox:


ORCON EXPANDS UNBUNDLED NETWORK
Seven new exchanges more than double existing reach


Orcon’s unbundled high-speed internet and phone service will be available to double the number of Aucklanders by the end of May.


The Auckland-based internet service provider has announced that from today (April 30) its new service is available to subscribers in the Auckland CBD and Takapuna exchange areas.


The unbundling of the new exchanges means that next generation, high-speed broadband will be available to double the number of Aucklanders. The next exchanges to be unbundled are Blockhouse Bay, Manurewa, Howick, Mt Eden and Remuera.

Phone and broadband customers in the seven exchange areas will then be able to sign up for Orcon’s faster broadband and unlimited national calls - and no longer have to deal with Telecom.


Called Orcon@home+, the company’s unbundled telephone and ADSL2+ broadband network was initially launched to customers via five Auckland exchanges in March.


Orcon is the first telecommunications provider to introduce new phone and internet plans following the Government’s decision in late 2006 to ‘unbundle’ the local loop, the copper wires that link homes to their neighbourhood exchanges.


The seven new exchanges are the first of a further 10 in Auckland to be added by mid-2008, with major cities coming on stream in stages through 2008 and 2009.


CEO Scott Bartlett says customers on unbundled lines are seeing greatly enhanced speeds. 


“We have been receiving a huge amount of feedback from people really impressed at the higher speeds.  Customers are telling us that where they used to wait several minutes for a high definition movie trailer to load, it is now plays in under a minute.

“Their You Tube video watching has been revolutionised – no more waiting for the video to load and buffering during it. They feel like finally they can use the web the way it’s meant to be used'.


“We are committed to driving ahead with unbundling and I am extremely happy that we are set to double our reach.”

Mr Bartlett says the company can manage the entire process for customers including notifying their previous ISP of their move to Orcon.


Orcon’s new unbundled ADSL2+ service has the potential to deliver speeds of up to 24 megabits per second (Mbps) downstream and up to 1 Mbps upstream [1], roughly tripling the downstream bandwidth capacity of standard ADSL.  ADSL is the common existing broadband standard in New Zealand. 


Orcon has three plans, all of which include “world class” broadband. The main plans offer unlimited toll calls in New Zealand, and the ultimate package includes unlimited overseas calls to one of 15 countries of the subscriber’s choice.

There is no minimum contract period with subscribers billed monthly and Orcon says its customers are capable of saving hundreds of dollars a year.





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  #127294 30-Apr-2008 13:34
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Still no Papatoetoe Frown




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#127300 30-Apr-2008 14:13
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Several 'points' within the press release reminds me of what Mattnzl just posted in my blog:

Man, doesn't this just confirm what ol Gattung said about telco's using confusion as a marketing tool!





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  #127325 30-Apr-2008 16:06
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Could I be so bold as to ask what is confusing about the press release (cokemaster)?

Also, why it deserved an 'eye rolling' icon (Mauricio)?



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#127334 30-Apr-2008 16:40
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Sorry I should have used a thumbs up instead...




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  #127338 30-Apr-2008 16:49
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The orcons faster broadband remark...

Its well documented on geekzone that telecoms rolling out dsl2+ gear which would deliver similar speeds but with more coverage. I am getting high sync and transfer rates in new zealand at home with dsl2+ on xtra.

Also add to that the fact that dsl speeds vary greatly depending on line parameters such as length and quality - on longer copper in many cases you'd see minimal if any improvement (but roughly the same speeds as you'd get on a previously discussed dsl2+ gear).

While it is true that there would be an improvement from going from a fs-128kbps to fs-fs connection, this is not exclusive to orcons llu service.

Thus I find the faster claim too broad and potentially confusing/misleading.

Geekzone, strike me down!





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  #127341 30-Apr-2008 17:06
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Allow me retort.

What you have suggested about sync rates is absolutely correct, the sync rate beyond 3km on ADSL2+ is not going to be higher than standard ADSL. However, we have dimensioned our Orcon+ network with greater bandwidth per subscriber than Telecom's UBS product, therefore giving better real world performance than the Telecom network - ADSL1 or 2+ (and that is what counts!). So while we can't make your line that is 4km long run at 15Mbps, we can deliver a better experience on your ~4Mbps line.

Users on the LLU network report lower pings, and better real world speed tests. I think there are a couple posted here, and there is a case study on our website: http://www.orcon.net.nz/informme/service,blog/category,19/item,563/

The added bonus is that if you are lucky enough to live close to an exchange you are going to get outstanding sync speeds, which backed with our backhaul etc deliver awesome performance. My loop is about 1km on the Ponsonby exchange and I get around 17Mbps. Don't take my word for it though, check out Juha's review of our service in this months PC World.

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  #127352 30-Apr-2008 18:22
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duncanblair: Don't take my word for it though, check out Juha's review of our service in this months PC World.

I received that magazine today and have just been reading the article.  Pity it's not online, or I would post a link to it Tongue out

Juha gives Orcon's LLU service a big thumbs up, primarily due to "Kordia providing Orcon with reasonably good data backhaul for the unbundled exchanges".

In practice, Juha is experiencing:

- 20Mbps connect speed
- 15 to 18.5Mbps download speed from well-connected sites in NZ and Australia
- 7 to 12Mbps from the US and Europe

As Juha points out, he is "less than 1km as the crow flies" from his exchange, but even so, these figures are pretty impressive.

According to Speedtest results posted so far, even Cokemaster with his hot Xtra connection has not been able to match those speeds via Telecom's network.  Of course, that may change in coming days/weeks/months as Telecom ups the ante Wink

Our local Blockhouse Bay exchange is on the list to be unbundled during May.

I am sorely tempted to dump Xnet due to the treacle-like speed of their International connections, and wave goodbye to WxC at least so far as our Auckland house goes.

Duncan, perhaps you could clarify one thing mentioned in Juha's article:

He says that "If I exceed the 10GB data cap, it will cost me a dollar per extra gigabyte".

Nowhere could I find this mentioned on Orcon's web site.  I am quite certain that our kids would quickly exceed 10GB, so we need this point to be clarified before considering Orcon's LLU plans any further.

Cheers,
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  #127356 30-Apr-2008 18:26
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If you can access the Orcon@Home LLU part of the phone number check, it says:

Additional data for only $1/GB.

They do have data blocks to add onto the Orcon+ plans.




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  #127358 30-Apr-2008 18:39
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manhinli: If you can access the Orcon@Home LLU part of the phone number check, it says:

Additional data for only $1/GB.

Cheers for that Manhinli.

Unfortunately I can't access that part of the site due to my phone number not being in the required range Frown

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  #127361 30-Apr-2008 18:44
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Grant, I've hit higher speeds on my dsl2+ connection. Will need to post an example when I return to new zealand.

Dsl here in china is shocking, with billing done by time and only 256, 512 and 1024kbps speeds. I usually get higher nz speeds on my blackberry roaming over gprs!




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  #127363 30-Apr-2008 18:49
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cokemaster: Grant, I've hit higher speeds on my dsl2+ connection. Will need to post an example when I return to new zealand.

Cheers CM, I stand corrected Embarassed

Obviously ADSL2+ is really delivering the goods for you too.  I will look forward to seeing the test results when you get back Smile

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for non LLU, I believe if you add a data chunk to your plan, ie i have added 50GB to Purple, its only 80cents per additional GB,

i assume this would be the same or cheaper on the LLU orcon plans?

Thumbs up to Orcon for removing the 10$ for 5 GB whether you use it or not and going on a per GB overage.

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If you add a data block, it just increases your data allowance. So if you go over the allowance and data block you are charged at normal overage rates ($2/GB for non-LLU, $1/GB for LLU)




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  #127374 30-Apr-2008 19:28
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manhinli: If you add a data block, it just increases your data allowance. So if you go over the allowance and data block you are charged at normal overage rates ($2/GB for non-LLU,


Nope, that is incorrect, those prices are if you do not add a data block, and are just using the free megs included.

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  #127379 30-Apr-2008 20:07
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That would seem strange as:
  • I cannot find any evidence (even through to the sign up pages)
  • if data blocks can change the overage pricing, then we could all just buy a block and have a lower overage pricing
  • then why can't the higher data allowance plans have a lower overage rate?
But I won't go on with this until we get official word or it is backed with some hard info.




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