2degrees blocks calls to Skype dial in numbers (09 889 xxxx)

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#233696 28-Apr-2018 11:30

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I moved my wife and my mobile connections from Skinny to 2degrees. Now, both of us cannot call overseas via Skype, using a 09 889xxxx number.

I called 2degrees and they said they do not allow this because they do not support VOIP service. However, from my perspective, I am just calling a standard 09 / AKL number.

This is a problem for us as we have elderly relatives living overseas, and they do not have smartphones or computers. So we need to call them via their landlines or mobile. Now I cannot call the 09 889xxxx number using our mobiles which is a major headache.

Why 2degress is doing this?

There are things I like about 2degress, like Data Share. However, not allowing me to call that 09 889xxxx number is a PITA, and I think it is unfair from a customer's perspective, as I just want to call a local number.

Can anyone helps?

Thanks.

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#2003991 28-Apr-2018 11:44

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I think that agent could have just been confused.

Next time you call 2degrees just leave the Skype bit out of the conversation to save the hassle. It's a local number, 2degrees needs to connect your call to that number and anything else beyond that is up to Skype.

What error message are you getting when you attempt to call it?

edit: clarification.

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#2003997 28-Apr-2018 11:49

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I'm confused. You make Skypeout calls to PSTN numbers directly from the Skype app - why are you doing this via a Skype dial in number? That's simply going to deliver far worse voice quality and add latency to the call.

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#2003998 28-Apr-2018 11:51

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tardtasticx:

I think that agent could have just been confused.

Next time you call 2degrees just leave the Skype bit out of the conversation to save the hassle. It's a local number, 2degrees needs to connect your call to that number and anything else beyond that is up to Skype.

What error message are you getting when you attempt to call it?

edit: clarification.

There is no error message. 2degrees simply drop the call / does not connect the call at all.

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#2004003 28-Apr-2018 11:56

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sbiddle:

I'm confused. You make Skypeout calls to PSTN numbers directly from the Skype app - why are you doing this via a Skype dial in number? That's simply going to deliver far worse voice quality and add latency to the call.

My wife does not use the app because the subscription was paid under my Skype ID, and we do not want to use the app with the same ID on two different devices. Yes, it is possible to signout from the app, but it is a hassle to sign back in when needed.

The call quality using the Skype dial in number is not bad at all. Voice quality and latency was still fine (when it works when I was with Skinny).

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#2004035 28-Apr-2018 11:58

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tardtasticx:

I think that agent could have just been confused.

Next time you call 2degrees just leave the Skype bit out of the conversation to save the hassle. It's a local number, 2degrees needs to connect your call to that number and anything else beyond that is up to Skype.

What error message are you getting when you attempt to call it?

edit: clarification.

At least one of 2degrees' agents called the number and noticed it is a Skype dial in number, because it said "Welcome to Skype..., blah blah". Then another agent emailed me saying VOIP is not supported.

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#2004072 28-Apr-2018 13:43

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@2degreescare Might not have opened the number range yet, Is the range showing in the NAD database?

http://www.nad.org.nz

If I remember correct I don't think VodafoneNZ opened the Skype range either due to security / fraud issues

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#2004090 28-Apr-2018 14:14

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@2degreescare Might not have opened the number range yet, Is the range showing in the NAD database?

Just checked NAD. The 09 889xxxx range is assigned to Symbio Wholesale NZ Limited, with a LICA of Auckland and with a local calling area of Auckland. The number range was assigned on 1st August 2007.

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#2004103 28-Apr-2018 14:21

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AKLWestie:

Linux:

@2degreescare Might not have opened the number range yet, Is the range showing in the NAD database?

Just checked NAD. The 09 889xxxx range is assigned to Symbio Wholesale NZ Limited, with a LICA of Auckland and with a local calling area of Auckland. The number range was assigned on 1st August 2007.

Maybe the number range has not been opened in the IN then as you say the call is been dropped during the call setup

I would say they are not blocking the range @SaltyNZ might be able to add some value here

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#2004421 29-Apr-2018 10:04

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We would not be blocking it intentionally, I don't think. Every 'normal' number range will be open. Some special numbers are not - most 0900 numbers for example - but any normal LICA should be fine. If you want to PM me the number I can have a look on Tuesday (I'm on leave tomorrow).

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#2005104 30-Apr-2018 12:55

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Hi, in Salty's absence can you PM us your number, the number you were dialling and your 4 digit PIN please?

Thanks

^POB

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#2005107 30-Apr-2018 13:15

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2degreesCare:

Hi, in Salty's absence can you PM us your number, the number you were dialling and your 4 digit PIN please?

Thanks

^POB

Thanks @2degreesCare and @SaltyNZ. I just sent a PM to @2degreesCare.

Cheers!

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#2005852 1-May-2018 11:55

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Both POB and myself have tried calling the number. I personally tried both from cellular and from VoWifi (which is a different core, so conceivably might give a different result). We get various results:

Sometimes the calls fails instantly
Sometimes it rings once and then fails
Sometimes we get recorded messages that vary between 'You don't have Skype credit'; or
'We don't recognise the mobile number you're calling from ...'

The fact that we can hear these Skype recorded announcements indicates that 2degrees has successfully connected the mobile call to the 09 number (and likewise, you won't hear ring unless the far end tells us to do so), so it sounds like something is wrong at the other end. You said:

Now, both of us cannot call overseas via Skype, using a 09 889xxxx number.

Are you forwarding this Skype number to somewhere else? Are you sure you don't simply need to top it up?

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#2006034 1-May-2018 14:41

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Hi All,

I'll do some digging.....

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#2006109 1-May-2018 16:08

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Hiya,

Can you please ping me the number you are calling from your mobile so I can have a chat with the mobile folk and get some tracing in place? (if you don't want to publish publically, please PM it to me).

https://nick.mackechnie.co.nz | NZ ISP latency monitoring - https://smokeping.thenet.gen.nz

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#2006226 1-May-2018 19:58

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A big thanks to @SaltyNZ, @2degreesCare, and @NickMack. My wife and I can call the 09 889 xxxx number now (most of the time).

As @SaltyNZ mentioned,

1. Sometimes the calls fails instantly
2. Sometimes it rings once and then fails
3. 'We don't recognise the mobile number you're calling from ...'

Until this evening, I hit problem 1 and 2 all the time. Since this evening, most of the times the call gets through (basically scenario 3 shown above, which means it is good and working). Sometimes I get scenario 1 or 2, but if I call again usually I can get through.

I am at home now so probably it is only using a single cell site. I will try other locations tomorrow and report back. =-)

Thanks a lot.

AKLWestie

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