2degrees IPv6 static or dynamic?

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timmmay

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#282653 4-Mar-2021 10:29

I noticed today I couldn't ssh to my AWS server on IPv6, but could on IPv4. The reason turned out to be my home IPv6 address had changed. We have a static IPv4 but not IPv6.

Just curious if 2deg IPv6 addresses are meant to be static, and if they're dynamic when they tend to change? It's not a problem, just wondering.

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#2667623 4-Mar-2021 10:39

by default we don't provide a static IPv6 address when we provide static IPv4. It is possible to get your IPv6 address made static as well, it just needs an additional command done by the team to set this up for you.

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#2667657 4-Mar-2021 11:00

Thanks @pwner. How much does that cost? And how would I get it arranged? It would be convenient but not essential.

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#2667992 4-Mar-2021 23:54

As I understand it, the policy used to be that you got a static IPv6 allocation if you paid for a static IPv4. That is what I have. But it seems that you may need to ask for a static IPv6 now, even if you are paying for a static IPv4.

I have never understood 2Degrees' policies on IPv6 at all anyway - IPv6 allocation is supposed to always be static according to those who designed IPv6. There are more than enough addresses for every device that anyone wants to use to have static IPv6 addresses for many, many years into the future. So I feel that IPv6 should be being used as designed - static allocations for everyone. Having a dynamic IPv6 allocation has far more negative consequences that with a dynamic IPv4. With IPv4, the allocated address is only used in one place, in your router, and having it change only really impacts on you if you have an external DNS. With IPv6 addresses from your allocation being used on all your devices, having the allocation change impacts on your entire internal network rather badly. Internal IP addresses (IPv4 or IPv6) are much more difficult to change. For instance, I run an internal DNS server, which would need updating. There are various server setups that use static IP addresses, which would need changing. There are various bits of software that use IP addresses directly in their control files, such as Apache 2. And so on - I am guessing that if I moved to a different ISP and had to change all my IPv6 addresses, I would still be finding problems where I had an old address somewhere weeks later. So if I had to have a dynamic IPv6 allocation, the only way it would work would be if I actually used "unique local IPv6 addresses" (fc00:/7 block) internally on my network and did address translation on them to my allocated addresses in my router (which it can do). IPv6 prefix delegation does not work at all well enough to handle the real life use of IPv6 addresses, and I have not seen any signs that the software authors that need to fix this are even aware of the problem, let alone going to fix it.

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#2668020 5-Mar-2021 08:42

If you have a static IPv4 with 2d, there's no extra cost for a static IPv6. You just have to request that you want this as well. Then you're assigned a /56.

Ever since Snap started offering static IPv6 (April 2015), we never assumed that all customers requesting a static v4 will want a v6, this is why you need to specify.
Back when it went live, we started offering a v6 with a v4 but were usually met with a "what's that?" or "I don't know why I would need that", so this sort of dropped off and customers only get it when they ask now.

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#2671543 11-Mar-2021 10:35

I called 2degrees support and in 5 minutes now have a static IP v6 address. Thanks for the help @pwner / all :)

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#2671681 11-Mar-2021 14:05

timmmay:

I called 2degrees support and in 5 minutes now have a static IP v6 address. Thanks for the help @pwner / all :)

Is that at $10 per month?

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#2671682 11-Mar-2021 14:09

decibel:

Is that at $10 per month?

I already have a static IPv4, there was no mention of any extra charge.

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#2671683 11-Mar-2021 14:10

timmmay:

decibel:

Is that at $10 per month?

I already have a static IPv4, there was no mention of any extra charge.

No additional charge to a static IPv4 address.

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decibel

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#2671691 11-Mar-2021 14:48

pwner:

No additional charge to a static IPv4 address.

Obviously who you know ??

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#2671694 11-Mar-2021 14:52

are you getting this via the customer portal?

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#2671782 11-Mar-2021 16:41

decibel:

pwner:

No additional charge to a static IPv4 address.

Obviously who you know ??

Check again 😉

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#2675677 16-Mar-2021 18:51

??? Checked again and still the monthly charge is $10.

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#2675980 17-Mar-2021 09:49

decibel:

??? Checked again and still the monthly charge is $10.

Correct - the monthly charge for static IPv4 and IPv6 is $10, as noted previously. Your snip showed your IPv6 only. Now it will show your IPv4 and IPv6 🙂

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#2675986 17-Mar-2021 10:00

LOL I think I confused them + I don't understand their response when I asked for a static IPv6 address, do I need to speak to a specific department/team?

"Hi,

Thanks for your email, as your internet connection can only use one type of IP address at a time, we only offer either a IPv4 or IPv6 - your account has currently an IPv4 loaded - an IPv6 address could also be added but would be a replacement fore your current IPv4 address - please do call 0800022022 or email reply for that update if you would like it.

With my

Kind regards,
Customer Care Specialist - Kaitiaki Kiritaki"

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#2676029 17-Mar-2021 11:43

BlackHand:

LOL I think I confused them + I don't understand their response when I asked for a static IPv6 address, do I need to speak to a specific department/team?

"Hi,

Thanks for your email, as your internet connection can only use one type of IP address at a time, we only offer either a IPv4 or IPv6 - your account has currently an IPv4 loaded - an IPv6 address could also be added but would be a replacement fore your current IPv4 address - please do call 0800022022 or email reply for that update if you would like it.

With my

Kind regards,
Customer Care Specialist - Kaitiaki Kiritaki"

yeah that isn't right, I will pass the feedback on to the care team. Best way is to give the broadband team a call.

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