Migrating my VDSL services and POT Line to 2 Degrees

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#293515 27-Jan-2022 15:06

I quick question.

With my current ISP ditching POTs service - and my local exchange being targeted next month, I'm looking to migrate both services to another ISP.

I'm currently renting and I'd drop the POTs line if it wasnt for my monitored alarm (which i need).

I'm not looking to go fibre at my current rental address

The issue is - I'm planning on moving cities in 5 to 6 months.

There will be a month or so until I transition to my own home where fibre is installed. I will no longer require the POTs line then.

Can I take out a 12 month contract with 2 Degrees and include a pause (or extend my contract to make up 12 months)?

Do companies do this?

Thanks for any advice.

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#2857190 27-Jan-2022 15:11

All ISPs are dropping POTS (EOL) years ago

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#2857220 27-Jan-2022 16:17

Might worthwhile checking that your current RSP is following the new rules

eg 4 month notice. Not giving PSTN withdrawal as a reason for moving unless they can point to a formal notification from
Spark relating to that consumer’s premises.

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#2857226 27-Jan-2022 16:31

tim0001:

Might worthwhile checking that your current RSP is following the new rules

eg 4 month notice. Not giving PSTN withdrawal as a reason for moving unless they can point to a formal notification from
Spark relating to that consumer’s premises.

I'm happy to reconnect with the new ISP, it just cant be at the same address

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#2857231 27-Jan-2022 16:35

Linux:

All ISPs are dropping POTS (EOL) years ago

The service is not being withdrawn from Chorus at my local exchange.

They are only removing POT's lines because they are not economic to the ISP.

In the case of copper I believe they get charged rental twice (once for VDSL and again for POTs).

This is purely an economic decision as far as I am aware. And yes - it annoys me.

After May, when I move to my own home, I will be installing a internet compliant alarm system.

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#2857235 27-Jan-2022 16:49

just go without the monitored alarm for the few months

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#2857245 27-Jan-2022 16:57

tim0001:

Might worthwhile checking that your current RSP is following the new rules

eg 4 month notice. Not giving PSTN withdrawal as a reason for moving unless they can point to a formal notification from
Spark relating to that consumer’s premises.

Sorry - i misunderstood your message - I'm reading the doc now - Thanks

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#2857252 27-Jan-2022 17:08

nzbsgfan:

tim0001:

Might worthwhile checking that your current RSP is following the new rules

eg 4 month notice. Not giving PSTN withdrawal as a reason for moving unless they can point to a formal notification from
Spark relating to that consumer’s premises.

Sorry - i misunderstood your message - I'm reading the doc now - Thanks

The letter arrived Monday dated 18/1/22.

After talking to VFNZ they "say" pots service will be shutdown after 28/2/22 - Not 4 months notice at all !

I'll probably migrate to 2Degrees - but I will mention my plans to them around moving.

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#2857262 27-Jan-2022 17:37

NOWNZ do Baseband IP (Analogue Line from cabinet/exchange) just not delivered from the NEAX

Guessing if you don’t have fibre your current ISP wants to force you onto wireless?

EDIT1: Just seen you have an alarm that may not work over baseband IP
EDIT2: Spark not Chorus are shutting down POTs chorus don't own POTs

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#2857275 27-Jan-2022 18:10

nztim: NOWNZ do Baseband IP (Analogue Line from cabinet/exchange) just not delivered from the NEAX

Guessing if you don’t have fibre your current ISP wants to force you onto wireless?

EDIT1: Just seen you have an alarm that may not work over baseband IP
EDIT2: Spark not Chorus are shutting down POTs chorus don't own POTs

The alarm was installed a long time ago - and I have a $1 / day monitoring. The alarm panel will have to be completely replaced to work with mobile or fibre.

To be fair VF dont want to force me onto Fibre. They are just exiting POTs everywhere.

I just want to get through the next 6 months with a POTs line - but I may have to just live with a stand alone system in the interim

I wasn't aware Spark owned POTs - that's very interesting.

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#2857279 27-Jan-2022 18:22

nzbsgfan:
nztim: NOWNZ do Baseband IP (Analogue Line from cabinet/exchange) just not delivered from the NEAX

Guessing if you don’t have fibre your current ISP wants to force you onto wireless?

EDIT1: Just seen you have an alarm that may not work over baseband IP
EDIT2: Spark not Chorus are shutting down POTs chorus don't own POTs

The alarm was installed a long time ago - and I have a $1 / day monitoring. The alarm panel will have to be completely replaced to work with mobile or fibre.

To be fair VF dont want to force me onto Fibre. They are just exiting POTs everywhere.

I just want to get through the next 6 months with a POTs line - but I may have to just live with a stand alone system in the interim

I wasn't aware Spark owned POTs - that's very interesting.

Spark own POTs even if another RSP is reselling it

https://www.spark.co.nz/shop/landline/landline-migration/

Go open term with NOWNZ ($79 connection fee) $85 for broadband and $5 for voice (delivered via Baseband IP exactly as your current line is delivered)

Your alarm may or may not work over BBIP chat with their support team they are really good

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#2857396 27-Jan-2022 21:04

May be time to bite the bullet and get your alarm upgraded.

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#2857423 27-Jan-2022 22:56

nzbsgfan:

The alarm was installed a long time ago - and I have a $1 / day monitoring. The alarm panel will have to be completely replaced to work with mobile or fibre.

No it shouldn't need to be replaced at all, if you install a permaconn then its just wire that in place of the phone line job done!

some monitoring companies charge $5-9 per month to keep the permaconn alive.

And then get fiber installed.

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#2857429 27-Jan-2022 23:15

sparkz25:

No it shouldn't need to be replaced at all, if you install a permaconn then its just wire that in place of the phone line job done!

some monitoring companies charge $5-9 per month to keep the permaconn alive.

And then get fiber installed.

Not always - I've found it's either:

alarm works fine with copper + fibre, no changes required
alarm works with fibre but minor upgrade required, or
alarm needs complete replacement

If it really was installed that long ago, it may need a full replacement.

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#2857430 27-Jan-2022 23:22

quickymart:

sparkz25:

No it shouldn't need to be replaced at all, if you install a permaconn then its just wire that in place of the phone line job done!

some monitoring companies charge $5-9 per month to keep the permaconn alive.

And then get fiber installed.

Not always - I've found it's either:

alarm works fine with copper + fibre, no changes required
alarm works with fibre but minor upgrade required, or
alarm needs complete replacement
If it really was installed that long ago, it may need a full replacement.

Permaconn. This is you answer, if you get one of these installed in to the alarm panel then you can ditch the copper line all together.

https://permaconn.com/alarm-communicators-nz/

Once the permaconn is installed then you can get fiber.

The alarm shouldnt need to be upgraded at all if its still using a copper line for monitoring, the permaconn will replace the line in to the panel, and then the permaconn will be set for dialler capture to capture the signals form the alarm panel and then pass those on via the 4G network to the permaconn network to the monitoring station.

Who is your monitoring company?

I know this because I have installed plenty of these things in my time all for the reason of clients moving to fiber.

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#2857461 28-Jan-2022 07:14

How do you see which permacon model would be suitable for a Paradox panel? (wanting to move off IP150 as the insite gold app is flakey).

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