2 Degrees receives Commerce Commission ticking-off on co-lo

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#35525 11-Jun-2009 11:16

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/62D3FD028474E638CC2575D1007A8489

... I don't know why the wysiwyg wont let me add a URL ... I tried when I created the topic and again to edit my post.

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#223916 11-Jun-2009 11:34

you mean like this?

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#223925 11-Jun-2009 12:04

If you are using Internet Explorer simply entering a URL will automatically do it for you. If using any other browser you have to select the text you want to add the hyperlink to and then click the link button in the editor's bar.

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#223929 11-Jun-2009 12:30

I am using Firefox 3, sometimes the JS box appears and other times it doesn't. When I created the thread the url toggle was grayed out. Then when I edited my post it was available but didn't accept my URL.

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#223937 11-Jun-2009 12:51

I sounds like you have a heavy handed ad/js blocker in there.

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#224082 11-Jun-2009 17:18

freitasm: If you are using Internet Explorer simply entering a URL will automatically do it for you. If using any other browser you have to select the text you want to add the hyperlink to and then click the link button in the editor's bar.

What about applying the anchor tags with a regex replace in your asp code before saving the post text to the DB instead of with non standard browser specific client side javascript :)

Pretty please!

There should be tons of sample expressions to match addresses online, for auto linking. If I remember correctly Regexp.Replace works fine in classic asp.

... anyway back on topic only 4/200 co-locations completed by 2degrees, ouch.

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#224286 12-Jun-2009 10:41

The other interesting thing here is a small mention of a possible 4th provider... a real one and not a virtual operator...

I guess we will just wait and see who this is exactly and whether they will actually make it to the market...

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#224289 12-Jun-2009 10:55

After reading the report and what the ComCom say, I feel that 2D has a point about co-lo. If there isn't enough room due to RMA constraints. How is it their fault they can't co-lo?

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/netw/F24886689608E2D5CC2575D2007622C2

I mean if they did, it would cost them allot in time and the QOS might be effected if they can't put their gear in an optimum position on the tower.

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#224302 12-Jun-2009 11:59

That's something Vodafone and Telecom both pointed out years ago... but NZC wouldn't have a bar of it. Because of the RMA we've built 20m towers not 50m towers. You can still co-locate but you need to rebuild the tower and that means getting consent.

Two Degrees/NZC/Econet has wasted countless millions of dollars and forced the Commerce Commission to focus on co-location instead of sub-loop unbundling. That means we haven't had the rules for unbundling cabinets and that means the entire fixed line industry is still sitting... waiting... while NZC gets what it wants and does nothing with it.

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#224305 12-Jun-2009 12:14

PaulBrislen: That's something Vodafone and Telecom both pointed out years ago... but NZC wouldn't have a bar of it. Because of the RMA we've built 20m towers not 50m towers. You can still co-locate but you need to rebuild the tower and that means getting consent.

Two Degrees/NZC/Econet has wasted countless millions of dollars and forced the Commerce Commission to focus on co-location instead of sub-loop unbundling. That means we haven't had the rules for unbundling cabinets and that means the entire fixed line industry is still sitting... waiting... while NZC gets what it wants and does nothing with it.

Not amused.

I agree, however lets look at the wider issue.. the RMA!

For instance how it limits the height of the towers, just so people dont have to put up with tall towers. But then you have to build 2-3x more of them which people still have to look at. One step forward, three back.

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#224308 12-Jun-2009 12:16

No argument from me. It's a big issue for the industry.

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#227563 22-Jun-2009 22:38

Just out of interest, where are the sites that the Comcom claims that 2degree has co-located with exisiting providers? The reason why I ask is because I'm aware of the following sites in Auckland having been co-located with Telecom, Vodafone and/or Woosh Wireless:-

- Bond Street (with Telecom and Vodafone)
- Kohimarama (with Telecom)
- Karangahape/Newton Roads (with Vodafone)
- Onehunga (with Woosh Wireless)
- Princes Street (with Woosh Wireless)
- Wesley (with Telecom)

So that's six sites in Auckland alone where 2degrees has co-located with at least one of the three existing providers. I haven't taken into account sites in Wellington and Christchurch for example. So where has the figure the Comcom come from? It's clearly understating what 2degree has actually achieved given that I've only managed to see approx 30-40% of the sites in Auckland alone.

I do agree however it's a poor effort given what could be achieved. I note that 2degree managed to add their antennas to Woosh Wireless's monopole in Onehunga, I wonder why this wasn't repeated at other Woosh Wireless sites -- is the RMA really the limiting factor here? Also Vodafone has a few big ex-Bellsouth sites with room for additional equipment (the St Johns site comes to mind as an excellent example) which they have yet to lease out to other providers. Again is this really an RMA issue or Vodafone just not very keen on sharing this space with other providers?

- James

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#227744 23-Jun-2009 17:59

KiwiSurfer: Just out of interest, where are the sites that the Comcom claims that 2degree has co-located with exisiting providers? The reason why I ask is because I'm aware of the following sites in Auckland having been co-located with Telecom, Vodafone and/or Woosh Wireless:-

- Bond Street (with Telecom and Vodafone)

- Kohimarama (with Telecom)

- Karangahape/Newton Roads (with Vodafone)

- Onehunga (with Woosh Wireless)

- Princes Street (with Woosh Wireless)

- Wesley (with Telecom)

So that's six sites in Auckland alone where 2degrees has co-located with at least one of the three existing providers. I haven't taken into account sites in Wellington and Christchurch for example. So where has the figure the Comcom come from? It's clearly understating what 2degree has actually achieved given that I've only managed to see approx 30-40% of the sites in Auckland alone.

I do agree however it's a poor effort given what could be achieved. I note that 2degree managed to add their antennas to Woosh Wireless's monopole in Onehunga, I wonder why this wasn't repeated at other Woosh Wireless sites -- is the RMA really the limiting factor here? Also Vodafone has a few big ex-Bellsouth sites with room for additional equipment (the St Johns site comes to mind as an excellent example) which they have yet to lease out to other providers. Again is this really an RMA issue or Vodafone just not very keen on sharing this space with other providers?

- James

James have you added anty new photos to your site lately and could you please leave a link if you have.

Thanks