Orcon throttling IRC traffic

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#40893 6-Sep-2009 21:13

Since last week, Orcon (UBA) seems to be throttling IRC traffic, nightly, between 8-11pm. Servers like quakenet.org, freenote.net are virtually unreachable during those times.

Quite appalling to 'traffic shape' IRC, as it hardly uses any bandwidth at all.

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#253628 6-Sep-2009 21:26

yeah I noticed this happening the last few days too was wondering what was up. irc fine during the day but straight after about 5pm it instantly becomes unreachable or disconnect constantly during the night. I have even tried connecting to different irc servers on different ports but still no joy.

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#253629 6-Sep-2009 21:27

IRC is often used to transfer large files but I didn't think it was that popular here in NZ.... well popular enough to be worthy of being throttled

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#253644 6-Sep-2009 22:51

a workaround for now seems to be to use some kind of web based irc client like mibbit.

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#253645 6-Sep-2009 23:16

Most IRC networks have SSL on non-6667 ports, try that?

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#253646 7-Sep-2009 00:13

If by file transfers on irc you mean DCC then this is a direct connection between clients - nothing to do with you and the IRC server.

IRC servers can and do limit the number of connections they can have established at any one time from 'geographic' areas, witht he idea usually being to serve their own local/target audience and/or prevent DOS attacks.

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#253651 7-Sep-2009 04:32

kyhwana2: Most IRC networks have SSL on non-6667 ports, try that?

quakenet.org's IRC servers don't have SSL-based services, for instance.

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#253659 7-Sep-2009 08:37

Hi Guys

I am looking into this for you. This shouldn't be the case.

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#253661 7-Sep-2009 08:50

Ok think i found the problem and its been resolved now.

We recently invested in a better traffic management device. By default it has included irc file transfer as P2P. This has now been removed.

Let me know if that has made a difference. Apologies for any issues it has caused! I will buy beers next geekzone pub outing or something!?! :)

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#253663 7-Sep-2009 08:55

Sounddude: Ok think i found the problem and its been resolved now.

We recently invested in a better traffic management device. By default it has included irc file transfer as P2P. This has now been removed.

Let me know if that has made a difference. Apologies for any issues it has caused! I will buy beers next geekzone pub outing or something!?! :)

Could this be the same reason why sites like rapidshare, megaupload and a few others barely load? This has only started over the last few days. Speeds have gone from excellent to barely existant. I think 56k would be faster.

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#253666 7-Sep-2009 09:12

yes im guessing that rapidshare, megaupload etc are there for that very reason.. those sites use a huge amount of bandwidth, and any sensible isp will restrict there usage, its the whole 1% of your customers using 90% of the network.
*hint* I would love for an isp to release a graph of websites that generate the most traffic.. my guess is that rapidshare, megaupload, hotfile are all in the top10..

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#253667 7-Sep-2009 09:17

garvani: yes im guessing that rapidshare, megaupload etc are there for that very reason.. those sites use a huge amount of bandwidth, and any sensible isp will restrict there usage, its the whole 1% of your customers using 90% of the network.
*hint* I would love for an isp to release a graph of websites that generate the most traffic.. my guess is that rapidshare, megaupload, hotfile are all in the top10..

But this has only started in the last few days. It's as if there was a recent change to the network. Speeds were great before.

BTW Hotfile is not on that list. Hotfile is still the usual speed. Not sure what other sites fall into this category. I wouldn't mind if speeds were limited, yes I don't expect 2-4mb of these sites, but you can barely load their homepage. A download from RS yesterday was going at 2k/s. Who wouldn't get frustrated, especially when you're only downloading a 8mb file! :)

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#253669 7-Sep-2009 09:20

oh, yeah 2k is a bit of overkill on traffic shaping.. I was expecting 20~30k, which is what i get most the time on big-time. Yeah hotfile seems to slip under the radar of most traffic shapers, but we probably should stop talking about it or it wont stay that way ;)

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#253683 7-Sep-2009 10:22

I am told by someone at Orcon this shouldn't been blocked or throttled so they are checking it now.

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#253693 7-Sep-2009 10:51

freitasm: I am told by someone at Orcon this shouldn't been blocked or throttled so they are checking it now.

Read up :) Already been sorted.

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#253697 7-Sep-2009 10:58

Jiriteach:

Could this be the same reason why sites like rapidshare, megaupload and a few others barely load? This has only started over the last few days. Speeds have gone from excellent to barely existant. I think 56k would be faster.

Yes. However rapidshare/megaupload should only be shaped during peak times. They are high usage sites. We have told our shaper to prioritise gaming and youtube etc. (realtime applications) over P2P/Rapid share etc.

We feel that youtube buffering/gaming packet loss/lag is unacceptable.

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