All You Can Eat Plan.

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NZCrusader

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#67882 10-Sep-2010 00:12

Hey slingshot users / staff.

Im just here inquiring about the speeds that users experience with this plan.

If someone(s) can give me an indication of: ( average speed )

P2P speeds
FTP
VOIP & Browsing experience ( good / bad / sluggish etc )
Gaming pings
Steam

or other that might apply.

Looking to switch ISP yet again, as Worldnet have exceeded our expectations ( sarcasm ) with their more expensive than big time, unlimited plan. Which 99% of the time, cruises around 30kb/s or under. P2P goes around 5kb/s.

Both computers struggle to share the connection, and webpage timeouts are often.
Some of you might have already seen my post here:

http://www.gpforums.co.nz/showthread.php?s=97faf4cdf9f4060a9619271a17d7eca6&threadid=402025&perpage=25&pagenumber=1

So I might as well be paying $70 a month for unlimited dialup or 256kbps depending.

Rant aside, looking to switch and get away from the worst performance ive ever seen.
I realize that no ISP ( probably including slingshot ) will not have as great performance with a low cost residential unlimited plan as telecom did.

So here looking for speed indications, to make a decision.

Thanks in advance.

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#378424 10-Sep-2010 00:14

Just to add to this. If anyone in the Chch / Canterbury area have any speedtests / ping results for this plan, it would be even better.

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#378426 10-Sep-2010 00:44

You should read the large other existing threads about All You Can Eat.

However if you want the summary version:

Both Worldnet and Slingshot are terrible currently for both performance and customer service.

You'd undoubtedly be better off looking at:

- Snap eg: their 25GB which has $2 per GB for extra data (also a range of data packs) plus they have addon called Snap Nights, $5 for 3 nights (1am-7am) of unlimited, can activate Snap Nights multiple times in a month, $5 each time.

- Xnet's Fusion Torrential $1.5 / GB on peak and free 75GB off peak.

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#378436 10-Sep-2010 02:01

You will be on par or slightly better than worldnet except on cached torrents or http stuff, which flies in.

Unfortunately they treat rapid share like crap and make it really slow, and ftp ends up somewhere in the middle.

I am actually at the moment going to rapid share on my seedbox and then downloading since that means that I get an acceptable speed.

a http server that a friend operates to torrent on public stuff on gets similar treatment to rapidshare after you download it bit - craps out to 30ishkB/s

edit: oh, I am not on all you can eat, I am on the plan where I pay for data and am in the free offpeak, all you can eat is reportedly worse for the couple of people I know who were game enough to agree to buy a useless landline off slingshot for 2 years. Thats something I am not prepared to do, and they will not put in writing I can cancel the landline if the internet is too bad for me without penelty.

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#378537 10-Sep-2010 12:11

I dont even think worldnet dos torrent caching.

Every torrent goes below 5kb/s

All the torrents speed added up comes to around 5-6kb/s

ecd

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#378716 11-Sep-2010 03:28

I just joined up with Slingshot today, it is super slowwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!! loading up pages. torrents downloading after 2am are like 31kb max combined. not to mention, their tech support sucks.

curtains

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#378718 11-Sep-2010 04:36

Hello all for those who are wondering about the 'All you can eat plan'

First day of the plan for me, so far so good. I switched from Telecoms Big Time, i did about 150 - 250GB/Month (I don't care what you think of my monthly usage, that's how much I use weather you like it or not)

Connection rate - about the same as Telecom, I had about 6Mbit Down stream before and about the same now.

Surfing - No noticeable differences from before, pretty much quick or instant all times of the day so far and for pretty much all the websites i visit (depends on the servers hosting the websites too of course), so, so far so good.

Gaming - Pings seems about the same as before got about 14 - 60ms for hosts in New Zealand on DOTA (on warcraft3), no lagging issues. No issues while playing Starcraft 2 even with big 4v4 games (didn't bother to test pings on Starcraft 2 cause I donno how and its not really that important, but no noticeable delay in Starcraft 2, Ping on Speedtest.net seems about the same as on Telecom, I got 14ms. So my gaming experiences is another so far so good.

Streaming - Just tested youtube so far, and so far so good too, loads faster than I can watch it (which is what I want), only tested after 11pm though.

Download speeds - P2P (only tested Torrents), Only tested at night after 11pm, so far so good pretty much maxed out my line 570Kb/s (was about the average I saw once they got going) (connected at a physical rate of 5.6Mbits downstream), Previously limited to only after 2am and before 8am, Warez (Rapidshare) - so far so good got about 115Kb/s on free user, which is about the max Rapidshare allows (previously was limited to about 35Kb/s on Big time), haven't tested any sites downloads but I presume good.

My experiences with the Slingshot all you can eat plan is so far so good, overall better than Big Time (so far) cause there's no traffic shaping.

Thats only my story, mind you I was happy on the Big Time plan too, nor did I have any problems on the Big Time plan (but I did hear that people having problems on Big Time), Prior to Big time i was on Telecom's Go Large, and I didn't have a problem on that either, so maybe its just my area (Te Atatu South, West Auckland), Guts for the guy who posted above me I feel for you man.

Will keep you guys posted on my All you can eat plan experiences (if I remember that is).

curtains

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#378719 11-Sep-2010 05:09

curtains: Hello all for those who are wondering about the 'All you can eat plan'

First day of the plan for me, so far so good. I switched from Telecoms Big Time, i did about 150 - 250GB/Month (I don't care what you think of my monthly usage, that's how much I use weather you like it or not)

Connection rate - about the same as Telecom, I had about 6Mbit Down stream before and about the same now.

Surfing - No noticeable differences from before, pretty much quick or instant all times of the day so far and for pretty much all the websites i visit (depends on the servers hosting the websites too of course), so, so far so good.

Gaming - Pings seems about the same as before got about 14 - 60ms for hosts in New Zealand on DOTA (on warcraft3), no lagging issues. No issues while playing Starcraft 2 even with big 4v4 games (didn't bother to test pings on Starcraft 2 cause I donno how and its not really that important, but no noticeable delay in Starcraft 2, Ping on Speedtest.net seems about the same as on Telecom, I got 14ms. So my gaming experiences is another so far so good.

Streaming - Just tested youtube so far, and so far so good too, loads faster than I can watch it (which is what I want), only tested after 11pm though.

Download speeds - P2P (only tested Torrents), Only tested at night after 11pm, so far so good pretty much maxed out my line 570Kb/s (was about the average I saw once they got going) (connected at a physical rate of 5.6Mbits downstream), Previously limited to only after 2am and before 8am, Warez (Rapidshare) - so far so good got about 115Kb/s on free user, which is about the max Rapidshare allows (previously was limited to about 35Kb/s on Big time), haven't tested any sites downloads but I presume good.

My experiences with the Slingshot all you can eat plan is so far so good, overall better than Big Time (so far) cause there's no traffic shaping.

Thats only my story, mind you I was happy on the Big Time plan too, nor did I have any problems on the Big Time plan (but I did hear that people having problems on Big Time), Prior to Big time i was on Telecom's Go Large, and I didn't have a problem on that either, so maybe its just my area (Te Atatu South, West Auckland), Guts for the guy who posted above me I feel for you man.

Will keep you guys posted on my All you can eat plan experiences (if I remember that is).

oh AND

Other notes

- I can now Surf and download Torrents at the same time (before on Telecom as soon as I turned on my torrent program, surfing would be super slow like slower than dial up speed (even if my torrent program wasn't downloading), nor could I game while having the torrent program on (even when not downloading). Haven't tried gaming and torrenting but I assume it should work as long as I don't max out my line and leave enough leeway for how ever much bandwidth I need for gaming.
- No disconnections yet though I never had a disconnection problem with Telecom either, I could hold the same connections for weeks on end.
- I use a Netgear DG834 ADSL modem (very highly recommended), had it for about 4 or 5 years now (I don't really remember), never crashes holds connection well (held my Telecom connection weeks on end) and still going solid. Also good for those who want a faster physical connection rate, previously had one of those free crappy Dlink modems Telecom gives you when you sign up, I got rid of it after a week due to router crashing issues and poor connection rates, before I switched to the Netgear modem I only got about a 2Mbit connection, I saw a instant jump to about 6Mbit after switching to the Netgear modem. (sorry for the long story but I like my Netgear modem and I'll recommend it to all even if it breaks now cause its served me well for the last how ever many years I've had it)
- There's 2.5 Computers/Internet users at my house (.5 cause the 3rd person doesn't use the internet much). And there's no surfing issues when everyone's on, or surfing and gaming (at the same time) issues. Haven't tried downloading and gaming (didn't work before on Telecom)

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Mooseboy

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#378842 11-Sep-2010 20:22

curtains: Hello all for those who are wondering about the 'All you can eat plan'

First day of the plan for me, so far so good. I switched from Telecoms Big Time, i did about 150 - 250GB/Month (I don't care what you think of my monthly usage, that's how much I use weather you like it or not)

Connection rate - about the same as Telecom, I had about 6Mbit Down stream before and about the same now.

Surfing - No noticeable differences from before, pretty much quick or instant all times of the day so far and for pretty much all the websites i visit (depends on the servers hosting the websites too of course), so, so far so good.

Gaming - Pings seems about the same as before got about 14 - 60ms for hosts in New Zealand on DOTA (on warcraft3), no lagging issues. No issues while playing Starcraft 2 even with big 4v4 games (didn't bother to test pings on Starcraft 2 cause I donno how and its not really that important, but no noticeable delay in Starcraft 2, Ping on Speedtest.net seems about the same as on Telecom, I got 14ms. So my gaming experiences is another so far so good.

Streaming - Just tested youtube so far, and so far so good too, loads faster than I can watch it (which is what I want), only tested after 11pm though.

Download speeds - P2P (only tested Torrents), Only tested at night after 11pm, so far so good pretty much maxed out my line 570Kb/s (was about the average I saw once they got going) (connected at a physical rate of 5.6Mbits downstream), Previously limited to only after 2am and before 8am, Warez (Rapidshare) - so far so good got about 115Kb/s on free user, which is about the max Rapidshare allows (previously was limited to about 35Kb/s on Big time), haven't tested any sites downloads but I presume good.

My experiences with the Slingshot all you can eat plan is so far so good, overall better than Big Time (so far) cause there's no traffic shaping.

Thats only my story, mind you I was happy on the Big Time plan too, nor did I have any problems on the Big Time plan (but I did hear that people having problems on Big Time), Prior to Big time i was on Telecom's Go Large, and I didn't have a problem on that either, so maybe its just my area (Te Atatu South, West Auckland), Guts for the guy who posted above me I feel for you man.

Will keep you guys posted on my All you can eat plan experiences (if I remember that is).

Basically the same experiences here.

And sorry I clicked add as friend instead of reply, so feel free to ignore that.

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#378848 11-Sep-2010 21:20

curtains: My experiences with the Slingshot all you can eat plan is so far so good, overall better than Big Time (so far) cause there's no traffic shaping.

Slingshot's All You Can Eat plan has traffic shaping and Slingshot have made this very clear. I'm not sure you you would think otherwise.

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#378893 11-Sep-2010 23:43

sbiddle: Slingshot's All You Can Eat plan has traffic shaping and Slingshot have made this very clear. I'm not sure you you would think otherwise.

Slingshot insist that there is no 'shaping' on their plans, only 'prioritisation'.

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#378895 11-Sep-2010 23:48

Detruire:
sbiddle: Slingshot's All You Can Eat plan has traffic shaping and Slingshot have made this very clear. I'm not sure you you would think otherwise.

Slingshot insist that there is no 'shaping' on their plans, only 'prioritisation'.

Tomato - Tomateo, I think.

Whats the difference between the definations of both terms?

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#378904 12-Sep-2010 01:10

If it wasnt shaped, it wouldnt sit on 32kB/sec total rock solid despite how many torrents were downloaing and on what computers

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#378915 12-Sep-2010 07:59

Detruire:
sbiddle: Slingshot's All You Can Eat plan has traffic shaping and Slingshot have made this very clear. I'm not sure you you would think otherwise.

Slingshot insist that there is no 'shaping' on their plans, only 'prioritisation'.

They are one and the same.

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#379040 12-Sep-2010 15:12

Not really, prioritization would mean that the prioritized thigns would stop the other things working when in use, not make torrents useless all the time.

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#379910 14-Sep-2010 22:41

Prioritising works like
Http gets first priority
torrents get whats left

Shaping works like this
Torrents get 35kB/s
Http gets whats left

When you scale up to such a large size like slingshot, priortising can look like shaping because everything averages out, but you will notice over a period of a few hours, that your speed may slowly increase towards midnight, drops right down at 2am, then slowly increases untill 7am.

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