Does 'Better network' mean ADSL2+?

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merve0o0

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#84886 10-Jun-2011 08:10

I live in stoke, Nelson and just got an email ( well they have sent it about 4 times now this week) saying that we will be getting upgraded to the "better network". I am just wondering if this means we will get ADSL2+.

I must be one of the few people that has no problems with speed other then sometimes at peak times but still usable for normal Internet but still would like more speed

trig42

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#479593 10-Jun-2011 08:53

According to the telecom wholesale website, ADSL2+ is due to switched on June 2011, so yes, that's what it means. Areas in Stoke will also be able to get VDSL.

Plonk your address into the finder on http://www.telecomwholesale.co.nz

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#479616 10-Jun-2011 09:55

Yes you should get ADSL 2+ with Slingshot 'Better Network' as they use there own hardware.
I have ADSL2+ on the Better Network in my town and Telecom isn't upgrading my exchange until Sept.

Better Network also means cheaper homeline rental.

merve0o0

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#481546 15-Jun-2011 17:34

well we got connected to slingshots "better network" (via vodafone apparently) today and i can say the speed is a major change.

before we would get about 3.5-4mbps down and about .5 up

just did a speed test now

hope thats just cause its 5:30

hawkz25

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#491147 8-Jul-2011 15:38

Im due to get switched over on the 18th, I hope my experiences aren't as bad as yours!

NonprayingMantis

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#491154 8-Jul-2011 15:43

'better network' just means you are using Slingshot's own equipment instead of Telecom's. This may, or may not, mean you get better speeds.

better is entirely subjective.

better for slingshot - yes.
better for customers - maybe

merve0o0

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#491169 8-Jul-2011 16:17

Speeds have got better since then I average about 8-9Mbit so better then adsl1 but not great. When I was on telecom I was getting 6-7 on adsl1

Oddly enough slingshot have said we are using vodafone hardware so they must be working together.

While I don't get the best speed I can't complain as it is fast enough I would just like my Racing to download faster. For the price I am happy with what I get.

Ragnor

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#491178 8-Jul-2011 16:32

The following ISP's have installed their own gear in at least some Telecom exchanges (called LLU or Local Loop Unbundling):
Orcon, Vodafone, Slingshot/Callplus, Compass, Actrix, Telstraclear

If you are connected to an exchange where an ISP has their own gear (note: Vodafone and Slingshot have a deal to use each others gear) the ISP can provide your service over this gear instead of paying Telecom wholesale for use of their gear/network.

Where they have their own gear they have more control over congestion and performance so generally there is a benefit.

However many people are connected to cabinets now to shorten the line distance and allow higher line rates. No ISP's yet have put gear in cabinets (Sub LLU) because the cost is high (ComCom sets regulated pricing for this). So far in cabinets only have Telecom wholesale gear so all ISP's use that gear to provide DSL if you are connected to a cabinet.

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#491180 8-Jul-2011 16:42

merve0o0: Speeds have got better since then I average about 8-9Mbit so better then adsl1 but not great. When I was on telecom I was getting 6-7 on adsl1

What are the stats from in your modem's admin ui eg: line rate, line attenuation etc?

8-9Mbit line rate on better network implies about 20dB of line attenuation or the equivalent of ~1.5km of copper line between your place the the exchange.

If your place isn't around 1.5km from where the exchange is then I'd take a look at your house phone wiring as if you do some work on that you may be able to obtain higher line rates.

merve0o0

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#491222 8-Jul-2011 18:32

Excuse it being sideways but I'm on my phone and I couldn't figger out how to rotate it.

I have no idea the distance to the exchange

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#491665 10-Jul-2011 15:24

Lower noise margin means you are not on telecom since they run it at the unnessacarily high level of 12dB.

I dont really see how they can call it a better network when the problem with slingshots network is nothing to do with the local loop and all to do with under provisioning of international and choking of protocols that they decide are less important than others to the point of being unusable.

Richard rich.ms

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#491736 10-Jul-2011 19:25

No ISP's yet have put gear in cabinets (Sub LLU) because the cost is high (ComCom sets regulated pricing for this). So far in cabinets only have Telecom wholesale gear so all ISP's use that gear to provide DSL if you are connected to a cabinet.

I believe Internet Hawkes Bay / WASPNET has their own in a number of sub LLU cabinets around hawkes bay and uses microwave + fibre to backhaul them.

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