Orcon Genius w/ additional Routers?

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JZEEMAN

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#89542 4-Sep-2011 20:58

Can I please get a answer on this.... I've searched everywhere!

Is it at all possible to have a second router(just for internet) setup on the same line with the Genius? Be a shame to put old router away as its only a couple of months old. Or is this just something Orcon don't want their Genius customers to do?

3t0ne

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#517060 5-Sep-2011 18:39

I'd like to know as well. I called Orcon sign up line, the operator told me I can't. Is it true?

quentinreade

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#517448 6-Sep-2011 12:37

Hi guys,

I am told:
If you want to retain the VOIP line then no, the Genius device needs to be the point of internet AUTH.

If not, the yes can use another router, but only on LLU not EUBA.

Separate to the above the can use another router as an extension of the WAN off the genius and plug or wirelessly sync with the other router, if you really want.

Cheers,

Comms chap

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3t0ne

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#517467 6-Sep-2011 12:59

quentinreade: Hi guys,

I am told:
If you want to retain the VOIP line then no, the Genius device needs to be the point of internet AUTH.

If not, the yes can use another router, but only on LLU not EUBA.

Separate to the above the can use another router as an extension of the WAN off the genius and plug or wirelessly sync with the other router, if you really want.

Cheers,

Thanks, quentinreade for your reply.

I do want to keep Genius as the point of internet Auth, just want to use my own wireless router as the wireless access point for my computers at home.

sbiddle

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#517479 6-Sep-2011 13:18

In which case simply disable DHCP on your old router and plug one of the LAN ports into a LAN port on the Genius and your old router will simply fuction as a simple AP.

JZEEMAN

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#517633 6-Sep-2011 17:04

quentinreade: Hi guys,

I am told:
If you want to retain the VOIP line then no, the Genius device needs to be the point of internet AUTH.

Well thats a bit of a bummer for all the VOIP customers, this doesn't sound very 'Genius' to me.

graemeh

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#517636 6-Sep-2011 17:08

JZEEMAN:
quentinreade: Hi guys,

I am told:
If you want to retain the VOIP line then no, the Genius device needs to be the point of internet AUTH.

Well thats a bit of a bummer for all the VOIP customers, this doesn't sound very 'Genius' to me.

It's a packaged product with full support from Orcon. They wouldn't be able to support it if they allowed you to mess with it.

If you want something you can tinker with then this is probably not the product for you.

sbiddle

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#517645 6-Sep-2011 17:15

JZEEMAN:
quentinreade: Hi guys,

I am told:
If you want to retain the VOIP line then no, the Genius device needs to be the point of internet AUTH.

Well thats a bit of a bummer for all the VOIP customers, this doesn't sound very 'Genius' to me.

There is nothing preventing the use of 3rd party VoIP equipment behind a Genius box. In some cases you may need Orcon to disable the SIP ALG for things to work correctly however. Genius is a managed product to ensure people can't screw with their settings and break stuff.

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JZEEMAN

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#517888 7-Sep-2011 07:23

graemeh:

It's a packaged product with full support from Orcon. They wouldn't be able to support it if they allowed you to mess with it.

If you want something you can tinker with then this is probably not the product for you.

sbiddle:

There is nothing preventing the use of 3rd party VoIP equipment behind a Genius box. In some cases you may need Orcon to disable the SIP ALG for things to work correctly however. Genius is a managed product to ensure people can't screw with their settings and break stuff.

The thing is i dont want to tinker with the Genius, only add a second AP within the house.

See the thing is, is the alarm is monitored over the internet and the Genius is at the other end of the house with the alarm unit. The wireless throughout the house isnt the greatest in some parts. Is there away around this?

sbiddle

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#517909 7-Sep-2011 08:34

JZEEMAN:
The thing is i dont want to tinker with the Genius, only add a second AP within the house.

I detailed a few posts above exactly how to do this. If you don't want to use your existing router just go and buy a standalone AP, you can pick up great TP-Link AP for $60.

JZEEMAN

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#518105 7-Sep-2011 14:10

sbiddle:

I detailed a few posts above exactly how to do this. If you don't want to use your existing router just go and buy a standalone AP, you can pick up great TP-Link AP for $60.

Really!!!?? I've had a good look through your more recent post's. I couldn't find anything there, maybe I've overlooked it...? A link would be nice sbiddle.

From my investigations the Genius has a password that resets everyday and can not be replicated...? Is this the case? If this is true how could I produce a second internet access point at the other end of my house? My old router(less than 6months old) Asus DSL-N11 should be more than able to achieve this feat, no?

graemeh

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#518108 7-Sep-2011 14:28

JZEEMAN:
sbiddle:

I detailed a few posts above exactly how to do this. If you don't want to use your existing router just go and buy a standalone AP, you can pick up great TP-Link AP for $60.

Really!!!?? I've had a good look through your more recent post's. I couldn't find anything there, maybe I've overlooked it...? A link would be nice sbiddle.

From my investigations the Genius has a password that resets everyday and can not be replicated...? Is this the case? If this is true how could I produce a second internet access point at the other end of my house? My old router(less than 6months old) Asus DSL-N11 should be more than able to achieve this feat, no?

Here's a link for you: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=82&topicid=89542&page_no=1#517479

It's just a few messages up. You don't need the Genius password as there is nothing to configure on the Genius for this.

JZEEMAN

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#518212 7-Sep-2011 17:52

graemeh:

Here's a link for you: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=82&topicid=89542&page_no=1#517479

It's just a few messages up. You don't need the Genius password as there is nothing to configure on the Genius for this.

Ah graemeh, I thought I was clear. That's not what I'm asking. I dont need to configure the Genius, hence the topic. I don't want to run a cat-6 cable from one end of the house to the Genius' LAN ports. I just want to use my old existing router also as a second internet access point??

JZEEMAN

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#518215 7-Sep-2011 18:02

My mistake reading quentinreade's post properly -

quentinreade:

I am told:
If you want to retain the VOIP line then no, the Genius device needs to be the point of internet AUTH.

If not, the yes can use another router, but only on LLU not EUBA.

Separate to the above the can use another router as an extension of the WAN off the genius and plug or wirelessly sync with the other router, if you really want.

Cheers,

"If you want to retain the VOIP line then no, the Genius device needs to be the point of internet AUTH." (Which is my senario!)

"Separate to the above the can use another router as an extension of the WAN off the genius and plug or wirelessly sync with the other router, if you really want." (Piggybacking the Genius WAN with my Asus, ill try this.)

detonate

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#518931 9-Sep-2011 11:10

Most wireless access points can be configured as bridges. ie what comes in the Wireless side, is the same Layer2 as the wired side.

If you plug your wireless access point in and it's in this configuration, then yes, there's no issue.

If you leave your access point in routed mode, that won't work as it will also hand out DHCP addresses on the wired side and your wired clients will get confused.

If in doubt, get your local geek who understands basic networking to help you out.

rossnixon

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#519720 11-Sep-2011 22:52

If you want to link the two wifi devices, look into WDS. I'm going to try that maybe next weekend. Just waiting for my Orcon to go live on Wednesday. Will start with cable to my ASUS wifi router which I have flashed with dd-wrt firmware, then will remove the cable and see if I can get WDS working. Apparently it can be a problem if both devices are different though (lack of standards).