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#420846 23-Dec-2010 09:24

Chips and A team would have real costs to show them, whereas the library of TVNZ junk we are seeing on it now is basically free to them. Yeah, all that tax payer funding and the best they can do is show stuff that doesn't cost.

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#420847 23-Dec-2010 09:24

naggyman:

freitasm: We don't need another "youth" channel. They have C4, and other crap already. Kids on the other hand don't have quality TV - and Nickelodeon is not quality TV.

C4 is about to relaunch itself as "Four" and it will be targeted at an older age group than before. As it says in the press release, MTV has shut down it's operations in NZ too.

The youth market in NZ is not saturated!

DjShadow:
Runs midday to midnight, least they could do is put kidzone on between 6am and 12

I agree, there is going to be a lot of free space on this new channel. Why not put kidzone on in the morning. It makes sense: Shows for younger kids in the morning while the teens are sleeping; Shows for teens in the afternoon.

Also, what does everyone think this new channel will be called?

MTV NZ has shut down but the same channels (plus 1 more) are being supplied out of Australia. MTV has not exited the NZ market.

Given TVNZ will have analysed the market and determined that a advertising funded channel in its current form is not viable. So the supply exceeds the demand and economics 101 would tell you that the segment is oversaturated.
However in the eyes of the freeloading NZ public that would prefer that someone else pays (either advertisers or the Govt) the view is that its not saturated.

The OP has a few options. Pay for it or steal it. Either pay for Flatso, DVD rental, DVD purchase, Sky, iTunes, etc. Or steal it - shoplift, torrent, burglary whatever one wants view it as.

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#420868 23-Dec-2010 09:46

compost: You can always count on discussion forums to provide a place to express zero sympathy for people's plights by those who are unaffected. The loss of TVNZ6 is a big deal for those with littlies and I'm glad that mine have just outgrown it recently.

I'm sure those affected really appreciate being told to pay through the nose for Sky, be reasonable because of various commercial and political considerations, or turn this into some kind of teaching opportunity.

Conversely, the people who are affected seem to think it's the biggest deal in the world. I'm not really happy paying for entertainment for your children. Why shouldn't you be expected to pay for that yourself?

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#420878 23-Dec-2010 10:04

ockel:
naggyman:

freitasm: We don't need another "youth" channel. They have C4, and other crap already. Kids on the other hand don't have quality TV - and Nickelodeon is not quality TV.

C4 is about to relaunch itself as "Four" and it will be targeted at an older age group than before. As it says in the press release, MTV has shut down it's operations in NZ too.

The youth market in NZ is not saturated!

DjShadow:
Runs midday to midnight, least they could do is put kidzone on between 6am and 12

I agree, there is going to be a lot of free space on this new channel. Why not put kidzone on in the morning. It makes sense: Shows for younger kids in the morning while the teens are sleeping; Shows for teens in the afternoon.

Also, what does everyone think this new channel will be called?

MTV NZ has shut down but the same channels (plus 1 more) are being supplied out of Australia. MTV has not exited the NZ market.

Given TVNZ will have analysed the market and determined that a advertising funded channel in its current form is not viable. So the supply exceeds the demand and economics 101 would tell you that the segment is oversaturated.
However in the eyes of the freeloading NZ public that would prefer that someone else pays (either advertisers or the Govt) the view is that its not saturated.

The OP has a few options. Pay for it or steal it. Either pay for Flatso, DVD rental, DVD purchase, Sky, iTunes, etc. Or steal it - shoplift, torrent, burglary whatever one wants view it as.

Totally agree, and just what I said ealier. We do already pay for it via taxes (TVNZ6 and 7 are crown funded) so why does that have to change? I am happy to pay via taxes for good quality content across all current Freeview channels even if i don't watch it all, it gives us consumers options. I would even be happy to pay for specific channels to (but NOT to pay for the 200 crap channels Sky gives you in its basic lineup).

I wonder if the commcercials around something like a dedicated kids channel for $1 a week would work? Say 50,000 people pay, that's $50,000 / week, would that cover all costs? (I don't know anything about the broadcasting industry), what do people in it think?

Is think something Freeview can/is looking at?

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#420888 23-Dec-2010 10:19

timbosan:
ockel:
naggyman:

freitasm: We don't need another "youth" channel. They have C4, and other crap already. Kids on the other hand don't have quality TV - and Nickelodeon is not quality TV.

C4 is about to relaunch itself as "Four" and it will be targeted at an older age group than before. As it says in the press release, MTV has shut down it's operations in NZ too.

The youth market in NZ is not saturated!

DjShadow:
Runs midday to midnight, least they could do is put kidzone on between 6am and 12

I agree, there is going to be a lot of free space on this new channel. Why not put kidzone on in the morning. It makes sense: Shows for younger kids in the morning while the teens are sleeping; Shows for teens in the afternoon.

Also, what does everyone think this new channel will be called?

MTV NZ has shut down but the same channels (plus 1 more) are being supplied out of Australia. MTV has not exited the NZ market.

Given TVNZ will have analysed the market and determined that a advertising funded channel in its current form is not viable. So the supply exceeds the demand and economics 101 would tell you that the segment is oversaturated.
However in the eyes of the freeloading NZ public that would prefer that someone else pays (either advertisers or the Govt) the view is that its not saturated.

The OP has a few options. Pay for it or steal it. Either pay for Flatso, DVD rental, DVD purchase, Sky, iTunes, etc. Or steal it - shoplift, torrent, burglary whatever one wants view it as.

Totally agree, and just what I said ealier. We do already pay for it via taxes (TVNZ6 and 7 are crown funded) so why does that have to change? I am happy to pay via taxes for good quality content across all current Freeview channels even if i don't watch it all, it gives us consumers options. I would even be happy to pay for specific channels to (but NOT to pay for the 200 crap channels Sky gives you in its basic lineup).

I wonder if the commcercials around something like a dedicated kids channel for $1 a week would work? Say 50,000 people pay, that's $50,000 / week, would that cover all costs? (I don't know anything about the broadcasting industry), what do people in it think?

Is think something Freeview can/is looking at?

TVNZ6 and 7 WERE Crown funded. Thats the major point of the revamp by TVNZ. It was provided $79m over 5 years to establish and operate TVNZ6/7 as commercial free channels. That funding is expiring and the Crown is no longer interested in coming to the party (incidentially I recall that TVNZ were reluctant to beleive that a Labour Govt would have renewed funding either).

So you would be happy for your taxes to contribute to all of the Freeview channels currently broadcast? At present your taxes only fund TVNZ 6 and 7 and that will expire. You'd like your taxes to increase to fund Mediaworks, Stratos, Cue, Prime, ShineTV, CTV8 etc? All of those channels would be delighted to have Government funding.

NZ is a small market but could be addressed by a TopUpTV option (Pay DTT). It would require you buying a Conditional Access Module and finding an operator that would be interested in broadcasting a kids channel that is essentially a standalone paytv channel.

As to costs - call Kordia and find out the mux lease price for Freeview but a satellite channel (assuming you could find capacity could be $500,000 per annum for a lease. And thats before content. Bear in mind that Discovery Health is 7 cents per month per subscriber in the US and Oprah's new channel is 18 cents per month per subscriber. But to start up most content providers would want a minimum level of revenue to provide the content. Lets add common costs (marketing, administration) and the like.

If you think you can get 50,000 households (roughly 3% of NZ or 12% of Freeview homes) to pay $1/week and pay for a CAM for their TV then start knocking on doors. Maybe the NZ market has room for your idea.

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#420891 23-Dec-2010 10:29

-1 TVNZ.

Sigh, this is sad. Kidzone is so great for pre-school aged kids!
Commercial free, heavy NZ focus, Kidzone is all good.
I have no issue with changing the content after 6pm, or changing TVNZ 7 entirely, most of the programming is fairly weak.

Won't somebody think of the children?!? Seriously, please, TVNZ, think of the kids, at least during the day time hours.

Cheers,
Joseph.

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#420893 23-Dec-2010 10:32

jofizz: Won't somebody think of the children?!? Seriously, please, TVNZ, think of the kids, at least during the day time hours.

Give them a ball and tell them to go outside. It's summertime!

Seriously, how much TV are kids watching that you can't buy a few cheapie DVDs from JB Hifi. They have those $5 DVDs don't they with a few episodes (or more) of kids shows. I don't know what they're called but those ones with the trains or the cars etc... Girls? I don't know fake barbie/my little pony or whatever...

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#420939 23-Dec-2010 11:56

I wish the beeb could broadcast here free to air. It would be easy as to ditch every other New Zealand channel!

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#420944 23-Dec-2010 12:06

How am I going to break this to Bella and Lucy...they LOVE Kidzone (Kayne).

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#420950 23-Dec-2010 12:22

I would love to have a 24hr decent sci fi channel, is it reasonable that I expect the taxpayer to cough up to pay for that? If not, then explain why not when it is expected that taxpayers provide you with digital babysitting material.

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#420953 23-Dec-2010 12:35

richms: I would love to have a 24hr decent sci fi channel, is it reasonable that I expect the taxpayer to cough up to pay for that? If not, then explain why not when it is expected that taxpayers provide you with digital babysitting material.

It's because:
"I believe the children are our future,
Teach them well and let them lead the way..."

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#420958 23-Dec-2010 12:46

bazzer:
It's because:
"I believe the children are our future,
Teach them well and let them lead the way..."

That is the best reason why Kidzone should stay.
Very well said!

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#420963 23-Dec-2010 13:07

richms: Chips and A team would have real costs to show them, whereas the library of TVNZ junk we are seeing on it now is basically free to them. Yeah, all that tax payer funding and the best they can do is show stuff that doesn't cost.

True. Do you think that we may ever see programs made by ONE and SPTV appearing as vintage TV or have these things been locked away for ever and only junk made since TVNZ took over in the early 1980s??

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#420987 23-Dec-2010 14:05

bazzer:
jofizz: Won't somebody think of the children?!? Seriously, please, TVNZ, think of the kids, at least during the day time hours.

Give them a ball and tell them to go outside. It's summertime!

Seriously, how much TV are kids watching that you can't buy a few cheapie DVDs from JB Hifi. They have those $5 DVDs don't they with a few episodes (or more) of kids shows. I don't know what they're called but those ones with the trains or the cars etc... Girls? I don't know fake barbie/my little pony or whatever...

I've not taken offense, but here's my situation.
Three children are 6, 4 and 2. There's times in the day, say, the morning rush, when big kids are getting ready for school, and the 2 year old needs to be sat down for 10 minutes in one place. There are times after school, after kindy, after doing groceries etc, when being able to turn telly onto 6 and KNOW that it is child friendly, is a huge help.

Yes some kids DVDs will remedy the problem somewhat, but Kidzone does have perhaps 15 different shows per day, this is quite a good variety. You'll have read that I specifically like the New Zealand content. Much of this is not available to purchase on DVD. Suzy's World, Bumble, (Go Show? maybe) and especially the short segments with Kane, are not available to buy. (to my knowledge). Hearing Te Reo and New Zealand accents on TV is fantastic, and under appreciated by many people.

Also, I personally believe that Nick, Disney, Barbie, Dora etc are terrible TV. Also the commercials are specifically targeted at kids, (of course) and the less ads my kids see, the better!

I guess as some good shows are on TV2, it might be a good time to finally enable Kids Zone (no relation!) on my TiVo and set it to record the decent stuff.

It's just a shame, I don't imagine that what ever TVNZ 6 turns into will get more market share than it currently does.

Cheers,
Joseph.

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#420990 23-Dec-2010 14:11

richms: I would love to have a 24hr decent sci fi channel, is it reasonable that I expect the taxpayer to cough up to pay for that? If not, then explain why not when it is expected that taxpayers provide you with digital babysitting material.

I think the comparing a genre-specific adults (not adult!) channel, that would have fairly limited appeal (dont get me wrong, I personally would watch it)

to a commercial free, partially educational, partially entertainment, New Zealand-rich, Te Reo encouraging 12 hours of programming per day (lets not forget kidszone is only 6am to 6pm) is a bit of a stretch!

My understanding is that even SyFy in the US is moving towards wrestling and other rubbish, how likely is that NZ could every afford a genre specific channel, whether or not it is subsidized.

Also, while I'm not offended by your babysitting remark, I does suggest you don't have kids. As per my previous post, being able to turn on the telly, and KNOW it's child friendly and commercial free, is a huge help in the day.

Cheers,
Joseph.

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