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#444549 1-Mar-2011 19:55

freitasm: So they stop programs for the much needed kids education on FTA, to replace with a half day "social" "youth" channel, while relaunching the kids channel on a pay TV?

Our tax dollars at work...

Basically, yeah.

To the bean-counters, the idea of "social good" just doesn't register.

And an ultra-commercial TVNZ is just that - run by bean-counters.

I await with interest to see whether U resonates with it's target audience, or if it just comes-off like a maths-teacher wearing a loud shirt, trying to be 'rad'. :-)

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#444556 1-Mar-2011 20:03

My guess is TV U will die in six months.

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#444563 1-Mar-2011 20:07

So it looks like they're using the programming rights paid for by the taxpayer to launch a Sky-only channel, and the token Kidzone on 7 to just to keep people interested until 1 May? I guess this says alot about what TVNZ has become.

It's not even smart commercially. Sky Network Television's ratings will soon reach 30% of viewers. TVNZ trying to drive everybody onto their pay platform makes no sense.

It's not TVNZ anymore, it's TV$.

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#444579 1-Mar-2011 20:57

as far as i'm concerned, TVNZ should no longer receive any sort of funding for any channel or program if they're going to push us down the pay tv path. if they want to head there, they should be forced to go it alone.

when national talked about selling off state assets, perhaps we should start with this one - and get rid of 100% of it.

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#444599 1-Mar-2011 21:40

Wills1:
TVNZ To Launch 24 Hour Kidzone Channel On Sky...

Fantastic news. Very pleased about this

And I'm luxuriating in the knowledge that you're pissing money away every week to subsidise overpriced rugby stars so the rest of us don't have to.

This only makes sense if TVNZ bought a heck of a lot more than 3 years worth of rights for the Kidzone shows - otherwise Sky would just pick up the rights for themselves if it was such a winning proposition. Looks like the government didn't put particularly tight conditions on how the new channel funding could be spent...

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#444638 1-Mar-2011 23:16

Regs: as far as i'm concerned, TVNZ should no longer receive any sort of funding for any channel or program if they're going to push us down the pay tv path. if they want to head there, they should be forced to go it alone.

when national talked about selling off state assets, perhaps we should start with this one - and get rid of 100% of it.

+1 for this.

Given that TVNZ is essentially adopting a purely commercial model, there is no reason for them to be on the taxpayer's teat as well. Stop the subsidies, privatise them, and let them do what they darn well like. They can live or die on whether channels like TVNZ U work, without the taxpayer standing behind them if the whole sorry mess ends in disaster.

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#444675 2-Mar-2011 08:50

compost:
Wills1:
TVNZ To Launch 24 Hour Kidzone Channel On Sky...

Fantastic news. Very pleased about this

And I'm luxuriating in the knowledge that you're pissing money away every week to subsidise overpriced rugby stars so the rest of us don't have to.

This only makes sense if TVNZ bought a heck of a lot more than 3 years worth of rights for the Kidzone shows - otherwise Sky would just pick up the rights for themselves if it was such a winning proposition. Looks like the government didn't put particularly tight conditions on how the new channel funding could be spent...

Thats your opinion and you are entilted to it. However as I like to watch sports and live, I can't do that watching free to air. So I am happy to pay sky to watch the rugby, with the best HD feed of any channel on NZ television. As well as the NRL and all the other sports I like.

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#445369 4-Mar-2011 07:20

Given that TVNZ is essentially adopting a purely commercial model, there is no reason for them to be on the taxpayer's teat as well. Stop the subsidies, privatise them, and let them do what they darn well like. They can live or die on whether channels like TVNZ U work, without the taxpayer standing behind them if the whole sorry mess ends in disaster.

The government is driving this no less than TVNZ is, and that is what they want you to think. The thinking being if TVNZ plays no public service social role, then why would voters object it being privatised? But privatising it won't improve it any. If the government wanted to improve how TVNZ is run and the service it provides, they could, but they choose not to. If the government privatises TVNZ, then little can be done when it deteriorates further. New Zealand may become almost unique in the world with no public service element to television programming whatsoever except for a few guys on Triangle.

Thats your opinion and you are entilted to it. However as I like to watch sports and live, I can't do that watching free to air. So I am happy to pay sky to watch the rugby, with the best HD feed of any channel on NZ television. As well as the NRL and all the other sports I like.

You also have to pay for a whole lot more than just sports channels to be able to see the rugby because there isn't regulation. Sky can do a take-it-or-leave it, and they do. Back when sports was on FTA these sports were the national games, now with most people either unable to unwilling to pay to see it they're slowly dying and becoming an anarchism. Some other countries require international games to be on FTA.

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#445393 4-Mar-2011 08:57

bfginger:

You also have to pay for a whole lot more than just sports channels to be able to see the rugby because there isn't regulation. Sky can do a take-it-or-leave it, and they do. Back when sports was on FTA these sports were the national games, now with most people either unable to unwilling to pay to see it they're slowly dying and becoming an anarchism. Some other countries require international games to be on FTA.

I see all the Netball is now on Sky and only delayed hilights on FTA Prime..

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#445699 5-Mar-2011 00:10

bfginger:
Thats your opinion and you are entilted to it. However as I like to watch sports and live, I can't do that watching free to air. So I am happy to pay sky to watch the rugby, with the best HD feed of any channel on NZ television. As well as the NRL and all the other sports I like.

You also have to pay for a whole lot more than just sports channels to be able to see the rugby because there isn't regulation. Sky can do a take-it-or-leave it, and they do. Back when sports was on FTA these sports were the national games, now with most people either unable to unwilling to pay to see it they're slowly dying and becoming an anarchism. Some other countries require international games to be on FTA.

Yeah, Aussie has that bizzare law about sport being on free tv.

Thankfully noone has proposed anything like that here.

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#445729 5-Mar-2011 09:55

richms:
bfginger:
Thats your opinion and you are entilted to it. However as I like to watch sports and live, I can't do that watching free to air. So I am happy to pay sky to watch the rugby, with the best HD feed of any channel on NZ television. As well as the NRL and all the other sports I like.

You also have to pay for a whole lot more than just sports channels to be able to see the rugby because there isn't regulation. Sky can do a take-it-or-leave it, and they do. Back when sports was on FTA these sports were the national games, now with most people either unable to unwilling to pay to see it they're slowly dying and becoming an anarchism. Some other countries require international games to be on FTA.

Yeah, Aussie has that bizzare law about sport being on free tv.

Thankfully noone has proposed anything like that here.

Fine if you like paying for your TV just to get sports. I think you sig of Rich sums you up..

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#445765 5-Mar-2011 12:00

richms:
bfginger:
Thats your opinion and you are entilted to it. However as I like to watch sports and live, I can't do that watching free to air. So I am happy to pay sky to watch the rugby, with the best HD feed of any channel on NZ television. As well as the NRL and all the other sports I like.

You also have to pay for a whole lot more than just sports channels to be able to see the rugby because there isn't regulation. Sky can do a take-it-or-leave it, and they do. Back when sports was on FTA these sports were the national games, now with most people either unable to unwilling to pay to see it they're slowly dying and becoming an anarchism. Some other countries require international games to be on FTA.

Yeah, Aussie has that bizzare law about sport being on free tv.

Thankfully noone has proposed anything like that here.

Err. Don't you mean Aussie has sensible rules that mean selected sports are on FTA where as here we have no such restrictions and are forced to pay through the nose for Sky?

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#445767 5-Mar-2011 12:07

old3eyes:
Fine if you like paying for your TV just to get sports. I think you sig of Rich sums you up..

Why should the govt interfere with the sports bodies negotiations about who gets to televise it? Watching sport is not an essential service, and there is always bars etc if you feel it is important to you but not important enough to justify getting sky etc.

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#445768 5-Mar-2011 12:08

openmedia:

Err. Don't you mean Aussie has sensible rules that mean selected sports are on FTA where as here we have no such restrictions and are forced to pay through the nose for Sky?

No, I mean that Aussie are screwing over their sports people by preventing them auctioning the broadcast rights for the maximum that people will pay for them. While that may suit people that are wanting to watch it for free, its infringing on the rights of the sporting bodies IMO.

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#446128 6-Mar-2011 22:03

openmedia:
Err. Don't you mean Aussie has sensible rules that mean selected sports are on FTA where as here we have no such restrictions and are forced to pay through the nose for Sky?

The anti-siphoning rules are very double edged though.

While you guarantee free coverage of certain events, the coverage is often appalling, delayed, truncated and they cut away for other stuff. Also if you live in the wrong state, you won't even see certain sports/teams until very very late at night.

Channel 9 will cut away from live cricket for the news if it runs over. Seven will delay AFL games by up to 3 hours to better fit their scheduling. Channel Seven's coverage of the Aussie Tennis open is appalling. There are many examples like this.

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