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#116704 7-May-2013 15:21
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So much for Freeview approved hardware etc working in "harmony" with the Freeview Transmission!


Changes to the Freeview broadcastTuesday, 30 April 2013 17:05 Freeview  has recently made some changes to the broadcast which has   affected Record Bookings in Freeview approved DTRs. The result can be   that recordings are not happening although they have been booked by the   user. This is because the information about those bookings is actually   sent via the Freeview broadcast and when it changes the DTR is no  longer  able to record the program you booked. It is possible that these changes will also affect the channels loaded into non-recording Freeview receivers.
To correct this problem please Factory default your unit via the  menu  and rescan your channels.
  • For  users of the DishTV T1020, T1050,  S7090 and S7070r this can be done in   the main menu by selecting Installation  -> Factory Reset. Select Yes  and enter the pin number (the default is  0000). This   will allow you to rescan all channels by following the onscreen menu.   After rescanning the channels you will need to reselect your Record   Bookings as the factory reset will have deleted all of these.
  • For MagicTV users please go to Menu -> Settings -> System -> Factory Reset. After  the factory reset please follow the onscreen instructions to rescan the  channels. After rescanning the channels you will need to reselect your  Record Bookings as the factory reset will have deleted all of these.
Unfortunately   Freeview intends to make more changes to the broadcast over the next   two weeks. This  can continue to affect your Record Bookings and will   sometimes cause them to stop working. While these changes are happening   to the broadcast the only solution is a factory reset as above.

DishTV does not have any control over these changes as they are made by Freeview.

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  #812917 7-May-2013 15:31
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Pretty common unfortunately.

I've said it many times before, but I would have expected 'freeview' to take more of an interest in the continued compatibility of 'official' products with their logo physically stuck to the front of them.

Otherwise you run into a situation whereby it's freeview approved 'at the time of sale' but it's not guaranteed to be compatible in the future...

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  #813402 8-May-2013 00:35

The way I see the problem is that some manufacturers haven't followed the freeview spec accurately.

My analogy is that if freeview were a farm producing eggs, and they said to egg box (set top box) manufacturers "hey, make egg boxes that can handle eggs from 3 to 5 cm diameter" and then they (freeview) produce regular 4cm eggs for a few years.

Everyone making egg boxes starts making them to handle the eggs and all is well until one day the eggs start to get closer to the 5cm limit. All the boxes that were ok for years start to break eggs. Oops, they made boxes that weren't big enough, saving a few cents per box, and then they blame the egg makers for changing the size.

What I'm saying is that it's hard for freeview to fully test and approve every part of every box. They have to expect manufacturers to follow the spec.

In this case a few manufacturers got caught out when the EPG changed "within spec".

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  #813416 8-May-2013 03:32
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hdinsider: The way I see the problem is that some manufacturers haven't followed the freeview spec accurately.

From the description, I do not think this is a bug on the receiver side.  Even if it is a receiver bug, it does not seem likely to me that both DishTV and Magic TV happen to have the exact same bug.

I also do not see anybody using Magic TV to report the type of described problem.

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  #813429 8-May-2013 07:22

Some boxes were built to meet the freeview epg spec correctly. Good on magictv!

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  #813431 8-May-2013 07:31
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My understanding is the issue relates to minor changes to the MHEG5 and EIT data. For scheduled recordings the EIT data should be checked before the recording starts, this enables the ability for the EIT data to be used to enable realtime recordings - ie if a show is running late the PVR can detect this and ensure it records the full show. This isn't (yet) used in NZ, but is used in Australia.

The Freeview specs are very clear. If vendors choose to not fully follow the spec then they do find issues will happen.

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