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# 21300 22-Apr-2008 13:00
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Since I have everything working nicely I figured I'd help out with a quick Guide, this guide should be helpful regardless of your Tuner brand.

First I would recommend AverTV since they have support for Vista 64 which not all the others have and due to the fact that everything seems to work out of the box, though you need version 6.12 or later of their AverTV app for NZ TV, the only real problem with it is that it doesn't support hardware acceleration yet, though every channels works, both audio and video. (I got this one for about $120 http://www.avermedia.com/AVerTV/Product/ProductDetail.aspx?Id=25&device=1 )
Version 6.12 should be included with your AverTV product and if it is use that one, but if it only comes with 6.11 then get 6.12 here:
http://www.avermedia.com/avertv/Upload/Download/A577_A577A_E568R_HC81R_H788R_H788A_6.0.12.08030402_080331.exe

I got the GA-MA78GM-S2H motherboard, it has the 780G chipset which is a ATI HD3200 I-GPU, it is very good for HTPC's although I am so far sad to see that I can't create a custom resolution with CCC or Powerstrip, otherwise it it highly recommended. (cheapest way to do hardware decoding if building a new PC)

Anyway while the AverTV setup works incredibly easy (you could be watching HDTV within 10 mins of installing the card/dongle) since there is no hardware acceleration yet I had to find another solution.

First Vista's media Center doesn't tune anything in and I am pretty sure it would not work even if it did. (anyone know how to make it work?)
DVBviewer can't tune anything in with my card
I gave up on mediaportal before I was done installing all the components, it needs far more support than any other application I have ever seen.

That leaves GB-PVR version 1.2.9
And it works pretty well, the instal is easy, and then it opens up config, all you need to do is click on the playback tab and select EVR as your PVRX2 video renderer, Cyberlink or ffdshow (latest tryouts) (note: ffdshow only appreared to work) as your H.264 playback choice and I have AC3Filter as my Audio decoder (Though it is possible GB-PVR is defaulting to another audio decoder if the selected one fails) and for me 'System Default' did not work correctly for audio so I selected 'Speakers (Realtek High def)'.
You will also need to set your MPEG-2 video decoder to something other than system default if you want any recordings to be in sync it seems, I picked Cyberlink but likely others will work.

note: Cyberlink Ultra DVD Deluxe is not free, but you only need to instal it, you do not need the registration key to use the codec.

And then also in config (copied and pasted from elsewhere):
1. Start the config app
2. Create a capture source, with the recording source set to 'Digital Recording Plugin' and the epg source set to 'DVB EPG'
3. Click the Settings button next to the Digital Recording Plugin. Select your capture device (A16AR if you have the same tuner I have), and set the country to NZ and the region to your region.
4. Click the 'Map digital channels to epg channels' button. It'll now scan for channels, and at completion should show the dozen or so Freeview channels'.
5. Tick each of the channels you want, then OK all the way out of the config app. You should be good to go now.

That's it, run PVRX2 and enjoy, note that it has both a windowed and full screen mode set in the General tab of config.

I said that that was it but not quite, sometimes the channel will be screwed up, badly! it's got to do with my drivers and only occure with ECR, the fix is simple, right click out of Live TV and left click straight back it, 9 times out of 10 that will fix it, if it doesn't just do it again until it sticks.

One thing I would very much like to get some feedback on is the lack of EPG data, it's empty with GB-PVR or AverTV, at most it shows what is on next but nothing more, anyone know how to get more?
Update: Found 2 answers, one is http://www.reven.co.nz I can only get tv 1, 2 and 3 to load into the xml and of that only TV2 actually shows in the EPG of GB-PVR for some reason.  A better option might be http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=83&TopicId=20400  though seems not to work for 64-bit Windows as i can't say how well it works until a fix comes through, waiting on any other solutions.


One last note, the remote that came with my card sadly only works with AverTV and not GB-PVR, or if possible it is not clear how.

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  # 125554 22-Apr-2008 13:42
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Sorry but I dont see what value this adds?
How to setup GB-PVR is already shown here: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?ForumId=83&TopicId=19328

The vista MCE issue is already well known.

also the sync issues with recording on GB-PVR have also been resolved if you use PowerDvd 8.

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  # 125576 22-Apr-2008 15:15
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Well that thread suggests using Mediaportal without warning it needs about 5 other things to run from what I can tell.

It tells you that GB-PVR isn't working yet totally.

It thinks you need to buy the Cyberlink codec (it's not free) for hardware supported interlaced decoding of H.264.

It does not suggest a card for those craving a simple setup.

The GB-PVR instructions are lacking.

The thread is closed.

There is probably more useful differences but that should cover it.

I am aware the MCE are known, just stating why it isn't an option.

 
 
 
 


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  # 125672 22-Apr-2008 20:12
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Is there a trial version of powerdvd which includes the codec?
How well is ffdshow working?



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  # 125803 23-Apr-2008 10:22
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Not sure, but I don't believe so, ffdshow seems to be perfect.

I downloaded a version of cyberlink power dvd ultra that came with a keygen, actually it seems to work if you just instal but don't apply the key, of course power dvd does not function but the codec seems to.  Still why not use the free effective open source ffdshow (tryouts version).

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  # 125807 23-Apr-2008 10:31
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FFDShow is unable to take advantage of PuewVideo2 or ATI's AVIVO hardware acceleration. I'm not quite sure why you're getting the same CPU usage as FFDshow doesn't take advantage of hardware acceleration.

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  # 125816 23-Apr-2008 10:44
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Well that thread suggests using Mediaportal without warning it needs about 5 other things to run from what I can tell.


Yes MediaPortal TVServer does require a database application and a few other bits/pieces but it's pretty straight forward and the new deploy tool makes it even easier. It's WELL worth a little extra effort to get it up and running. The features (IMHO) far outweigh the memory/setup overhead and any other PVR app. I can guarantee that it will take more than 10mins though!






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  # 125840 23-Apr-2008 11:56
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sbiddle: FFDShow is unable to take advantage of PuewVideo2 or ATI's AVIVO hardware acceleration. I'm not quite sure why you're getting the same CPU usage as FFDshow doesn't take advantage of hardware acceleration.


You are right, turns out if I remove cyberlink ffdshow stops working, obviously GB-PVR is finding ffdshow doesn't work and switching to Cyberlink without telling me.

 
 
 
 




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  # 125857 23-Apr-2008 12:57
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mcraenz:
Well that thread suggests using Mediaportal without warning it needs about 5 other things to run from what I can tell.


Yes MediaPortal TVServer does require a database application and a few other bits/pieces but it's pretty straight forward and the new deploy tool makes it even easier. It's WELL worth a little extra effort to get it up and running. The features (IMHO) far outweigh the memory/setup overhead and any other PVR app. I can guarantee that it will take more than 10mins though!


Was not aware there was a newer version out, the tool makes it much easier even if one click is hardly the truth.
However after getting it installed it fails on startup, maybe it isn't 64-bit compatible.

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  # 126479 26-Apr-2008 13:08
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Has anybody been able to get freeview DVB-T working in Vista MCE? After a bit of mucking around with various updates etc I have got it working well in Cyberlink Power Cinema but would love to get it going in Vista MCE.  Since I have it working in that program all the correct codecs are obviously installed however when I scan DVB-T in MCE it comes up blank.

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  # 126482 26-Apr-2008 13:15
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chris54345: Has anybody been able to get freeview DVB-T working in Vista MCE? After a bit of mucking around with various updates etc I have got it working well in Cyberlink Power Cinema but would love to get it going in Vista MCE. Since I have it working in that program all the correct codecs are obviously installed however when I scan DVB-T in MCE it comes up blank.


Glad to see you have used the search button and had a read to see that you cant use MCE to view freeview.




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  # 126506 26-Apr-2008 17:38
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Gee thanks for being so helpful! Most of the stuff in these forums you can't do but that's what this is about, finding ways of doing things you're not supposed to be able to do. I'm sure there will be a way, DVB-S doesnt work in Vista MCE either but some folks found a way. The way I see it is MCE supports DVB-T anyway, just not NZ Freeview, I have all the codecs working correctly and in I record a program in Powercinema of DVB-T Freeview, I can play the recorded program in MCE so that part works. Therfore gotta be a way to do it.

Thanks for your inspiration but I will keep trying anyway, I'm stubborn like that, can't doesnt exist in my vocabulary.


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  # 126507 26-Apr-2008 17:41
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chris54345:

Gee thanks for being so helpful! Most of the stuff in these forums you can't do but that's what this is about, finding ways of doing things you're not supposed to be able to do. I'm sure there will be a way, DVB-S doesnt work in Vista MCE either but some folks found a way. The way I see it is MCE supports DVB-T anyway, just not NZ Freeview, I have all the codecs working correctly and in I record a program in Powercinema of DVB-T Freeview, I can play the recorded program in MCE so that part works. Therfore gotta be a way to do it.

Thanks for your inspiration but I will keep trying anyway, I'm stubborn like that, can't doesnt exist in my vocabulary.



You can try all you want but it won't work! Smile

H.264 is not supported in VMC and the update to support it is currently running well over a year late. If things go well we may see it before the end of the year!

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  # 126509 26-Apr-2008 17:47
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chris54345: Gee thanks for being so helpful! 


What sbiddle said...

It just doesn't and you are right, because of codecs. The update which should be in beta last year is late. So it may not be here before end of the year, if it happens.

You are not alone. A lot people want it to work. I use Windows VMC and would love to have it working. It just doesn't.




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