Dual tuner smart tv question

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AHobden

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Topic # 239316 11-Jul-2018 21:29

Hi all, I'm looking at buying a new samsung UA43N5500AWXNZ smart tv with dual tuners (1 x sat, 1 x uhf). But my set up is a little different:

single satellite with dual LNB's, one set to Optus D1, one set to Optus D2, can these tv's with inbuilt satellite tuner receive both signals? I don't need to be able to watch one whilst recording another, it would only ever be watching one or the other signal at a time.

Also, I have a HDD recorder that I would like to connect straight to the TV (through hdmi or AV) to be able to record programs from the satellite signal, would this work without any problems with DRM restrictions? (I currently record through this recorder connected to my "strong" satellite decoder, but with this tv I want to be able to remove the decoder from my set up)

I have also asked Samsung this same question and they have passed it on to their "Senior Technicians" to answer but I havn't heard for 4 days, so if any of you can answer these questions, you're probably over qualified to work for samsung :)

Thanks

Brunzy

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Reply # 2054695 12-Jul-2018 03:50

Are you running two cables, or one via a diseqc?
You can do it but it’s clunky, to switch from D1 to D2 , normally means a visit to the menu .
You’ll have to keep the Strong to feed the recorder .

AHobden

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Reply # 2054787 12-Jul-2018 09:49

Hi and thanks for the input.

its via one cable and a diseqc.

Why do you think I'll need to keep the Strong? Do you think the tv will not allow the record signal? (really hoping to be able to get rid of it)

Are you sure about this info or is it a "based on my knowledge guess"? I'm really trying to get some hard facts...

Thanks again, appreciate your input.

Brunzy

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Reply # 2054807 12-Jul-2018 10:06

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The Tv may record but it won’t have an Av out to the HDD, and even if it did it would likely follow whichever content is showing.

AHobden

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Reply # 2054819 12-Jul-2018 10:11

wow, I never even considered that, gonna have to do some testing somehow

B1GGLZ

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Reply # 2054874 12-Jul-2018 11:01

My understanding is that as part of the Freeview Licensing Freeview TVs don't have any Video outputs available for recording. They only have Audio out. Some models will record to SD Card or USB HDD but normally recordings will only be viewable on the TV from which the recording was made. So you will not be able to record from Satellite or UHF. IMO its rather a ridiculous restriction. If they don't want you to make recordings of Freeview Digital TV then why do they sell Freeview Recorders?

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Reply # 2054876 12-Jul-2018 11:03

Analog output in standard definition (all the composite standard allows) is a vulgarity anyway. Why would anyone expect any such output from a digital TV.

Brunzy

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Reply # 2054982 12-Jul-2018 13:14

B1GGLZ:
My understanding is that as part of the Freeview Licensing Freeview TVs don't have any Video outputs available for recording. They only have Audio out. Some models will record to SD Card or USB HDD but normally recordings will only be viewable on the TV from which the recording was made. So you will not be able to record from Satellite or UHF. IMO its rather a ridiculous restriction. If they don't want you to make recordings of Freeview Digital TV then why do they sell Freeview Recorders?

Biggles,

Early Panasonic’s had Analogue Av out, but that’s about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike !

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Reply # 2055009 12-Jul-2018 13:45

Brunzy:

Biggles,

Early Panasonic’s had Analogue Av out, but that’s about as much use as an ashtray on a motorbike !

Must have been before the Manufacturers realised motorbikes don't have ashtrays. The Rules for Freeview Transmission in NZ make for interesting reading.

It is a mandatory requirement that the receiver provides High-Definition Digital Content Protection (HDCP) via the HDMI output.
All functioning analogue output ports (Y Pb Pr, RGB, CVBS) shall provide SD video resolution (max 720 x576p) output only.

It appears that HDMI, and other outputs are allowed but severely restricted. I guess that's why they ceased having video outputs on TVs and only have them on STBs?

Rules can be found here

https://freeviewnz.tv/company/equipment-supply-chain/

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Reply # 2055018 12-Jul-2018 14:09

What actually is the point of the Freeview restriction when any $30 satellite box can make a perfectly good recording? All it does is inconvenience people.

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mrbbi

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Reply # 2055333 12-Jul-2018 20:43

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AHobden:

Hi all, I'm looking at buying a new samsung UA43N5500AWXNZ smart tv with dual tuners (1 x sat, 1 x uhf). But my set up is a little different:

single satellite with dual LNB's, one set to Optus D1, one set to Optus D2, can these tv's with inbuilt satellite tuner receive both signals? I don't need to be able to watch one whilst recording another, it would only ever be watching one or the other signal at a time.

I've got the previous gen "K" model and it handled my D1/D2/IS19 Sat setup just fine with 1 major annoyance. D2 was not part of the in-built Sat list so I had to add it manually and also add transponders for D2 since manually added Sat's couldn't be blind scanned. This was 2016 and there have been several software updates since so the above may no longer apply but keep in mind you may not be able to blind scan D2. Goggling instruction booklet may help.