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Topic # 26847 5-Oct-2008 18:20
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Hi Guys, I need some help..... I have a New Sony Bravia with built in Freeview and a Sony Hard Drive Recorder.
I have a UHF aireal and I can tune into all the stations I want but as Prime is only in Analogue on UHF I have problems.
I run a scan with TV set to Digital and can get 1,2,3 etc just perfect but I can't seem to then do a scan in Analogue and get Prime because it then grabs 1,2,3 etc in Analogue also and over rights the Digital. Analogue for 1,2,3 etc is poor, so need it in Digital.
Is it possible to save them in Digital then to re scan just for Prime in Analogue. No matter what I try I can seem to get it to work.
Any thoughts ? I hope this makes sense....Thanks.

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  Reply # 169199 5-Oct-2008 22:12
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It's not possible to manually tune a single channel?

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  Reply # 169215 5-Oct-2008 23:23
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slliwgd:it then grabs 1,2,3 etc in Analogue also and over rights the Digital.


Not possible. I have a 40V4000 and I can't see how you would get analogue channels stored on the digital. Use the digital/analogue button on the remote to switch between the two.

However if what you're saying is that you want 1,2,3, digital etc and then Prime on 6 in analogue without switching between the two, then you can't do that.





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  Reply # 169227 6-Oct-2008 08:29
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slliwgd:it then grabs 1,2,3 etc in Analogue also and over rights the Digital.


Not possible. I have a 40V4000 and I can't see how you would get analogue channels stored on the digital. Use the digital/analogue button on the remote to switch between the two.

However if what you're saying is that you want 1,2,3, digital etc and then Prime on 6 in analogue without switching between the two, then you can't do that.

Sounds rather limiting.  A well designed tuner system should allow you to select in order of preference both analog and digital channels . i.e 1,2,3,4 digital and 5 analog for Prime etc.





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  Reply # 169228 6-Oct-2008 08:39
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slliwgd:it then grabs 1,2,3 etc in Analogue also and over rights the Digital.


Not possible. I have a 40V4000 and I can't see how you would get analogue channels stored on the digital. Use the digital/analogue button on the remote to switch between the two.

However if what you're saying is that you want 1,2,3, digital etc and then Prime on 6 in analogue without switching between the two, then you can't do that.

Sounds rather limiting.  A well designed tuner system should allow you to select in order of preference both analog and digital channels . i.e 1,2,3,4 digital and 5 analog for Prime etc.



But that's the way things work - the TV treats both tuners as being completely seperate and you can either access analog or digital - once the TV is accessing the digital tuner it can't access analog channels and vice versa. It doesn't work like a traditional TV tuner setup in the way people are thinking where channel 1 could be digital and channel 2 could be analog.

NZ is rather unique in that we have Prime stuck on analog. If you're virtually anywhere else in the world you either use digital or analog. You don't have to mix & match channels like here in NZ because Sky won't join Freeview despite still claiming that Prime is a FTA channel when it's clearly not.







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  Reply # 169709 7-Oct-2008 21:48
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Thanks for the input guys. I have spoken to Sony and they tell me that the Hard Drive recorder is not capable of recording Digital. Nothing avaiable in NZ at present has this ability (?). So when I watch all channels tuned into Analogue they are clear but as soon as I record them to hard drive I loose picture quality, especially 3. The TV and HDR are connected via HDMI so I can't understand the drop in quality ??
Any thoughts.

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  Reply # 169780 8-Oct-2008 08:37
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 NZ is rather unique in that we have Prime stuck on analog. If you're virtually anywhere else in the world you either use digital or analog. You don't have to mix & match channels like here in NZ because Sky won't join Freeview despite still claiming that Prime is a FTA channel when it's clearly not.




Agreed. I have a Sony KDL and also use a PC for Freeview HD. Use the PC 100% and Digital TV when PC may not function cause I stuffed it up.


I just don't bother with Prime anymore. Can't be bothered switching to analogue to see whats on and no EPG. If I don't know I am missing something I am not bothered. Analogue is so last April.


No PVR will record digital at the moment. The loss of quality recording analogue could be compression, codecs used, tuner used on the PVR device. who knows.


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  Reply # 169784 8-Oct-2008 08:44
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slliwgd: So when I watch all channels tuned into Analogue they are clear but as soon as I record them to hard drive I loose picture quality, especially 3. The TV and HDR are connected via HDMI so I can't understand the drop in quality ??
Any thoughts.


Are you meaning when you record a Freeview|HD recording? How are you hooking this up to the recorder? I believe the Sony's TV have a composite video output, I assume you are using this to record from?

You are right in that nothing will record HD at present (less you go down the PC based PVR path). The first Freeview|HD hased PVR units will be on the market before xmas.

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Actually, I've seen some HDD Recorders that get you to connect straight from the antenna, how did you hook it up?



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  Reply # 169858 8-Oct-2008 13:41
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I have the HDD recorder conected to TV via HDMI and TV conected to Home Theatre via HDMI also. Have not tried Compsite Video out.

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  Reply # 169895 8-Oct-2008 15:54
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slliwgd: I have the HDD recorder conected to TV via HDMI and TV conected to Home Theatre via HDMI also. Have not tried Compsite Video out.


You say that the picture quality of recordings is poor - rereading your post above you say that you are recording this off analogue. If this is the case and you're trying to play back analogue content on your TV then this is perfectly normal, the analogue picture is terrible compared to what you will see on Freeview|HD.



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  Reply # 169915 8-Oct-2008 16:44
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Hi sbiddle... thanks for trying to help but I think we may be on different pages or my previous posts aren't clear.. sorry.
When I watch 1,2 3 etc live on TV in analogue they are clear as, its only once I have recorded them and then try to watch that its unclear. So.... I'm compairing analogue to analogue here and not Freeview HD. This HDD recorder was previously conected to a DSE cheap and nasty TV via a UHF aireal and only tuned via analogue and worked perfect, its only since I got the Bravia that I have had probs. Thanks.

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  Reply # 169928 8-Oct-2008 17:16
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slliwgd: Hi sbiddle... thanks for trying to help but I think we may be on different pages or my previous posts aren't clear.. sorry.
When I watch 1,2 3 etc live on TV in analogue they are clear as, its only once I have recorded them and then try to watch that its unclear. So.... I'm compairing analogue to analogue here and not Freeview HD. This HDD recorder was previously conected to a DSE cheap and nasty TV via a UHF aireal and only tuned via analogue and worked perfect, its only since I got the Bravia that I have had probs. Thanks.


Recording a show will always make the quality worse. It firstly has to encode the data as (typically) an MPEG2 stream which results in some loss of quality.

How are you playing it back? Do you have your TV set to 4:3 for playback or are you stretching it to fill the whole screen? Stretching it to 16:9 fat-o-vision will instaly cause the quality to appear even worse as the image is stretched sideways. Any form of NR or MPEG NR that is applied by the TV (if enabled) can also make the picture worse, not better.

And lastly a low birate poor quality picture fed into a HDTV, particularly a LCD, will look bad. The only way to really fix this is play back your recordings on a old CRT TV - they will look a lot better!

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