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#42466 5-Oct-2009 16:08

I think this is a fail when it comes to news reporting:

Maori TV are bidding big money to win the rights to Broadcast the Rugby World Cup in 2011, yet the media is getting uptight about some areas not being able to receive the Maori TV analogue signal.

Have they totally forgot about Freeview and Sky Digital? One would expect by 2011 that a fair chunk of the population will have digital so coverage isn't a problem unless for some major reason you can't get DVB-S

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#261349 5-Oct-2009 17:37

Exactly. Many people seem oblivious to Freeview.

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#261368 5-Oct-2009 18:23

getting and setting up Freeview can still be out of some peoples reach, cost wise, so unless they can afford it people will not be able to watch the Rugby which is not what the government wants

Common sense is not as common as you think.

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#261454 5-Oct-2009 22:10

I know Freeview isn't free unless you have put a little bit of money down, so i guess in one way it wouldn't be 'free to all'
but isn't the government wanting to turn off analogue tv?
so wouldn't this would help people take up freeview if Maori TV won the rights?

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#261456 5-Oct-2009 22:12

DjShadow: I think this is a fail when it comes to news reporting:

Maori TV are bidding big money to win the rights to Broadcast the Rugby World Cup in 2011, yet the media is getting uptight about some areas not being able to receive the Maori TV analogue signal.
my 2c.

Hi DjShadow,

My understanding is (but I could be wrong) that Sky have already won the broadcast rights for the live coverage to the whole world (obviously including NZ), and what we are now talking about is the rights for the delayed coverage FTA to all of NZ, which Sky intend bidding for and putting on Prime.

It seems TVNZ aren't interested in bidding for it so it looks like it will end up on either Prime - UHF terr. and Freeview - or Maori - UHF terr. and Freeview !!.

My biggest concerns are:
1. If Maori TV win it we, the taxpayers, will pay for the winning bid and the total broadcasting costs.
2. Does Maori TV actually have the expertise, equipment, personnel and resources to handle outside broadcasts from numerous locations simultaneously, or would they need to go on a huge spending spree with our money?

Cheers, Wild Bill.

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#261458 5-Oct-2009 22:12

vexxxboy: getting and setting up Freeview can still be out of some peoples reach, cost wise, so unless they can afford it people will not be able to watch the Rugby which is not what the government wants

I think that is a poor argument, as people have just under two years to save a few pennies, and I am sure freeview will get cheaper as more boxes become availble, and swtich off gets closer.

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#261469 5-Oct-2009 22:58

Hey when they turn off analogue TV in a few years or so if you ain't got sky or freeview ya won't be watching nuthin. Nobody is going to extend analogue TV coverage at all now!

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#261477 5-Oct-2009 23:27

Won't they be up against tv3? they had coverage of the 2007 world cup that will also be on freeview

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#261493 6-Oct-2009 06:20

boby55: Won't they be up against tv3? they had coverage of the 2007 world cup that will also be on freeview

TV3 will be pulling out if Maori TV get the backing of Dr Sharples, and the promise of all the money. It is just not commercially viable to put that much money into the event.

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#261496 6-Oct-2009 06:42

WildBill:
DjShadow: I think this is a fail when it comes to news reporting:

Maori TV are bidding big money to win the rights to Broadcast the Rugby World Cup in 2011, yet the media is getting uptight about some areas not being able to receive the Maori TV analogue signal.
my 2c.

Hi DjShadow,

My understanding is (but I could be wrong) that Sky have already won the broadcast rights for the live coverage to the whole world (obviously including NZ), and what we are now talking about is the rights for the delayed coverage FTA to all of NZ, which Sky intend bidding for and putting on Prime.

It seems TVNZ aren't interested in bidding for it so it looks like it will end up on either Prime - UHF terr. and Freeview - or Maori - UHF terr. and Freeview !!.

My biggest concerns are:
1. If Maori TV win it we, the taxpayers, will pay for the winning bid and the total broadcasting costs.
2. Does Maori TV actually have the expertise, equipment, personnel and resources to handle outside broadcasts from numerous locations simultaneously, or would they need to go on a huge spending spree with our money?

Cheers, Wild Bill.

First off TVNZ and TV3 have already submitted prices - both were deemed too low. Maori TV seem to have submitted a figure that is in the ballpark figure required however uses taxpayer funds for this.

In many ways this can be seen as a moot point - the RWC is going to cost taxpayers an aweful amount of money as best case estimates are a loss of around $20 million. There is certainly no way the event will break even. One could argue that a few million more on taxpayer funding is fairly minimal.

I also doubt we'll ever see it in Prime - FTA rights are an additional cost that I doubt Sky would be interested in paying.

Maori TV don't need to provide any OB facilities. They are simply providing FTA coverage of some games. Sky is the host broadcaster and are responbible for all of this.

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#261501 6-Oct-2009 07:56

I don't see how anyone could argue a few million dollars is a moot point.

The 3 million from tpk is for Maori development and I don't see how spending that money on rights to rugby games is a good use of that money. Sure they will be able to throw in the odd Maori catchphrase during commentary but is there any real benefit.

Is Maori channel broadcast in HD? That is another significant drawback which I have not heard discussed.

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#261502 6-Oct-2009 08:12

Is Maori channel broadcast in HD? That is another significant drawback which I have not heard discussed.

Nor is Prime (as of today) if they were to provide delayed FTA coverage. If you want HD you will need to pay for it to see it live on Sky Sports.

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#261518 6-Oct-2009 09:32

imadog: Sure they will be able to throw in the odd Maori catchphrase during commentary but is there any real benefit.

The benefit for Maori TV will be huge. They'll be doing more than throwing in "the odd Maori catchphrase" and will be broadcasting to an audience of unprecedented (for them) size.

It's been known for a few years analogue broadcasts have a limited life and the RWC is still two years away - plenty of time for those who haven't already upgraded to get whatever new equipment they need or organise alternative means of viewing.

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#261521 6-Oct-2009 09:45

The benefit for Maori TV will be huge. They'll be doing more than throwing in "the odd Maori catchphrase" and will be broadcasting to an audience of unprecedented (for them) size.

I have no doubt that this will benefit maori TV. They are after all getting a bonus $3 million gift from TPK to pay for the event and can make pure profit on selling the commercials. I just don't see the benefit to the tax payer or for the maori language (which is why I thought the maori channel exists). Two state broadcasters are bidding against each other which doesnt make sense.

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#261522 6-Oct-2009 09:46

As a taxpayer I don't mind them bidding for it if they can claw the money back from advertising - is that their plan?

This would work best if free-to-air was the exclusive broadcaster.

However I fear the advertisers may spend their money with Sky on the basis that Sky subscribers are the ones with a bit more discretionary spending power. I guess it depends what demographic they are after.

Anyone in the media buying or selling industry available to comment on this?

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#261559 6-Oct-2009 10:59

@sbiddle I think you are missing the point - free to air tv means anybody can take thr crappy 14" tv put an aerial on it and watch - without having to buy anything else. I can't get Maori TV and I live Ellerslie!

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