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Master Geek


# 79869 23-Mar-2011 13:04
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Hi guys,


Just wondering if anyone had any information on when testing/broadcasting would start from the Hedgehope Transmitter site in DVB-T


Thanks!

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  # 451174 23-Mar-2011 16:39
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I wouldn't mind knowing this too.

There hasn't been much word about Hedgehope floating around.

I think they're slowly forgetting about us down here until they "have" to, ie: analogue switch off. By then the technology will probably have changed anyway.

I haven't even heard a pep out of Cue either.

It's sad our only HD digital is Sky down here, or if you want to replace your satellite receiver yet again for DVB-S2 a few channels such as Go (my favourite) from Australia are in HD I believe, MP4. But who knows for how long since it only popped up since the floods.

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side note: what ever happened to Invercargill wireless LAN thing?

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  # 451195 23-Mar-2011 18:40
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I enquired about this, hoping that Gore would be covered as it is now from the same transmitter.

I actually emailed someone at the Gore District Council, thinking they may know what was happening. I got a call back from the mayor, who by coincidence had had a meeting with those responsible for expanding the DVB-T signal down this way.

It was not good news, not for Gore anyway. Sounds like we are going to get shafted, invercargill will get the upgrade but the population east/north of the transmitter will not. I guess this means about 10-15K will miss out but I have no idea about the economics of this project and just how much more it would cost.

In saying that, I had a look on the Kordia site and from what I could tell the reference to the transmitter site is actually not Hedgehope at all, but somewhere north/west of Invers??

 
 
 
 


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  # 451197 23-Mar-2011 18:44
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This document lists current and planned sites. Hopefully that helps!

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  # 451231 23-Mar-2011 20:57
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Yes I was going to say if it's north of Invercargill sounds like it's Forest Hill (east of Winton) where CUE and Radio Southland broadcast from.

I'm VERY surprised they are talking about Forest Hill and not Hedgehope though.

Of course, this is not taking in to account bounce back licenses/applying to move them for a certain period.

However there's another document that was updated in 2010, June, that includes forest hill:

http://www.rsm.govt.nz/cms/policy-and-planning/current-projects/archive/broadcasting-archive/digital-television-2007-frequency-plan

You could just email Radio Spectrum Management (Ministry of economic development) and ask them what the go is with Hedgehope.

I was talking to them recently about low power TV. As all this Kordia focus and digital is going to up the price for any chance of regional/local community TV wanting to start-up if they site the channels only for existing providers of tower space such as Kordia.

Although I can't see it stopping someone engineering a license on another channel upon application.

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  # 451409 24-Mar-2011 12:16
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Interesting, I always assumed that it would be Hedgehope as that was the site listed a while ago:
http://www.rsm.govt.nz/cms/policy-and-planning/current-projects/archive/broadcasting-archive/digital.../

Also I thought Hedgehope would be the logical choice as it has good coverage for Southland. I've always had crap reception from Forest Hill for CUE, weather that's because of CUEs gear there I don't know.

If Freeview is transmitted from Forest Hill I guess we'll have to move our UHF aerials or is the distance between Hedgehope and Forest Hill close enough not to matter?

Anyway according to this: http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/4623686/Obstacles-cleared-for-FreeviewHD-expansion we should have DVB-T by June. I was just wondering if there were any firm dates.

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  # 451411 24-Mar-2011 12:29
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http://www.rsm.govt.nz/cms/policy-and-planning/current-projects/archive/broadcasting-archive/digital-television-2007-frequency-plan is out of date; it's not going on Putauaki either.

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  # 451441 24-Mar-2011 13:54
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Forest hill will require an antenna move for UHF.

UHF antenna's are usually higher gain, and therefore narrower beamwidth for reception. That, and the increased multipath problems with it not fine tuned makes it worth realigning an antenna anyway.

CUE's reception has never been that wonderful, unless you have a VHF pointed to Forest Hill. They suffered with interference along the lines of cell bars or something from One a while back. They probably still do, but I don't have a VHF/UHF antenna to watch.

What I'm more curious too, is whether we'll get the whole bouquet of Freeview channels down here, or whether they'll trying saving every last drip of bandwidth to bring it this far south.

I've been reading the submissions to RSM on the transition to digital and some have been quite funny. Channels like Triangle commenting on stations negatively that provide mostly satellite programming lol... Ummmm, what is Stratos is my question :o)

Mainland we're complaining about making it any easier for new-entrants to get on-air... because existing stations are the one's who have built the audiences and markets... what a load of rubbish! Profits, that's what driving a lot of comments. Infact digital will if anything, prevent new regional entrants.

June sounds good... I won't be rushing out to by a receiver though, my SD satellite one works just fine.

That and RSM are still talking about licensing mostly SD channels such as 10 per frequency block and only a few blocks. Or a couple of HD per block. They are still thinking inside the "SD" head for the majority of use and I guess commercial operators see not much financial point HD wise. So they are still exhibiting old ways of thinking. They really aren't thinking about future services in their current mindset on the transition to digital.

Telecom of course wants a good chunk of the existing UHF spectrum for their services as well.


Oh well... hopefully IPTV will eventually kick terrestrial out of the water once IPv6 is adopted over the coming years and VDLS2 goes viral here. I've already been playing with streaming H.264 over Wi-Fi and I love the quality. I don't see a big future in terrestrial digital, only in convergence. Probably all IP based.

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