Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




2385 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


#114411 19-Feb-2013 11:09
Send private message

Just curious about this. My 9 year old daughter has recently been given a  “Google Apps for education” account at school.

A while ago I wrote about  Google services not being available to under 13year olds. This is googles policy which goes as far as including gmail, google drive, youtube, google+ etc ...

Now I found it odd that she came home the other day from school and has been given a google account.

As a google docs user myself I have no issues with this and I am actually very supportive of them using google drive for homework etc .. I am however not happy that she gets a google+ account. She can have one when she turns 13. Same for facebook.

Anybody know what the rules in NZ are around this. Is there a national policy that her school needs to abide by? Is her school breaking any rules by providing her with a google plus account (She is 9)

I have not contacted the school about this as yet. Don't really want to but just curious as to what others think about it.

View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2 | 3
1714 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #765650 19-Feb-2013 11:21
Send private message

I would have thought that the school would have communicated this to parents, and that there would have been a signed consent form required!!

gzt

11466 posts

Uber Geek

Lifetime subscriber

  #765653 19-Feb-2013 11:30
Send private message

I think you'll find this is a stuff up [aka oversight] and nobody has considered this.

They are more or less breaking Google's terms enabling Google+ for someone under 13:

http://support.google.com/a/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=1645514

Let the school know. I expect they will address it.

 
 
 
 




2385 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #765654 19-Feb-2013 11:31
Send private message

keewee01: I would have thought that the school would have communicated this to parents, and that there would have been a signed consent form required!!


Yes thats what I would have imagined too.

3451 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  #765668 19-Feb-2013 11:40
Send private message

Google's (automated) approach in your original thread seems quite heavy-handed too! And a bit ironic if they will give all these services to 9 year olds anyway, albiet through a school. I suppose their argument might be that the school is taking responsiblity for policing it... but why not let parents do the same thing with private google accounts then?




"I was born not knowing and have had only a little time to change that here and there."         | Electric Kiwi | Sharesies
              - Richard Feynman


BDFL - Memuneh
67486 posts

Uber Geek

Administrator
Trusted
Geekzone
Lifetime subscriber

  #765671 19-Feb-2013 11:43
Send private message

Please let me know. Yesterday we signed an agreement regulating Bella's use of school ICT resources. While we did not give (and it wasn't anywhere in the document) rights to create an account, I suspect these will become more common soon.

Think about storing kids work in the cloud instead of schools having to manage a local network of servers, etc. Things get a lot easier, but an oversight is needed.





 

 

These links are referral codes

 

Geekzone broadband switch | Eletricity comparison and switch | Hatch investment (NZ$ 10 bonus if NZ$100 deposited within 30 days) | Sharesies | Mighty Ape | Backblaze | Amazon | My technology disclosure 




2385 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #765672 19-Feb-2013 11:43
Send private message

sidefx:I suppose their argument might be that the school is taking responsiblity for policing it... but why not let parents do the same thing with private google accounts then?


Exactly. As mentioned in my previous post I did not have an issue with her having a google+ account, actually wanted her to have one so that she can stay in contact with family in SA. One that I could police on our own domain.

Now it seems the school has allowed it, and I as the parent don't have any control.





2385 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #765677 19-Feb-2013 11:48
Send private message

freitasm: Please let me know. Yesterday we signed an agreement regulating Bella's use of school ICT resources. While we did not give (and it wasn't anywhere in the document) rights to create an account, I suspect these will become more common soon.

Think about storing kids work in the cloud instead of schools having to manage a local network of servers, etc. Things get a lot easier, but an oversight is needed.



Will do. I plan to sit down with her tonight, and see just what exactly she has been given access to.

 
 
 
 


2078 posts

Uber Geek

Subscriber

  #765679 19-Feb-2013 11:49
Send private message

Edit: Doh!  I just read your post properly, as it is Google Apps for Education the school manages it so there is no problem with kids having access.



2385 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #765681 19-Feb-2013 11:52
Send private message

graemeh: Are you sure it wasn't Google Apps for Education?

http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/education/



Yes thats what it is.
But just like the other enterprise products, other gmail services are also included.

2078 posts

Uber Geek

Subscriber

  #765683 19-Feb-2013 11:53
Send private message

Klipspringer:
graemeh: Are you sure it wasn't Google Apps for Education?

http://www.google.com/enterprise/apps/education/



Yes thats what it is.
But just like the other enterprise products, other gmail services are also included.


Sorry, yeah, just editing my post to say I'd read your post properly now.

The school can control what other services are used so it depends how they have it configured.

They should have written policies on what the kids can and can't do and how they keep the kids safe.  Most schools are pretty anal about these things.

2936 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  #765684 19-Feb-2013 11:54
Send private message

So all that heavy handedness by google in disabling the account is only if an under 13 year old is using Google+. If the Google Apps admin has disabled Google+ then any age can have an account.

Giving an account to kids without the parent permission is another story but is a parent school relationship issue.




My views (except when I am looking out their windows) are not those of my employer.

2438 posts

Uber Geek


  #765724 19-Feb-2013 12:45
Send private message

Just talked to a friend of mine who is Sysadmin for a school that uses Gapps Edu, and he has said the same as graemeh in that there are 100's of google services you can turn on or off including G+.



2385 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #765733 19-Feb-2013 12:54
Send private message

lxsw20: Just talked to a friend of mine who is Sysadmin for a school that uses Gapps Edu, and he has said the same as graemeh in that there are 100's of google services you can turn on or off including G+.


Yes thanks that's what I thought. I guess though that they can't only enable for those over 13. Its either on or off?

835 posts

Ultimate Geek

Trusted

  #765755 19-Feb-2013 13:36
Send private message

keewee01: I would have thought that the school would have communicated this to parents, and that there would have been a signed consent form required!!


That would necessitate the school being good at communication.  And you're talking about organisations that think that giving a child a photocopied piece of paper to put in their bag, carry home, and give to their parents is a reliable delivery method.  Which all in all is probably less reliable and slower than RFC1149.

1332 posts

Uber Geek
Inactive user


  #765772 19-Feb-2013 13:56
Send private message

This is an interesting issue. If the Google accounts are managed by the school then I suppose the students lose them when they graduate. I wonder what the school policy for data retention is in this case.

 1 | 2 | 3
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic





Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Chorus completes the build and commissioning of two new core Ethernet switches
Posted 8-Jul-2020 09:48


National Institute for Health Innovation develops treatment app for gambling
Posted 6-Jul-2020 16:25


Nokia 2.3 to be available in New Zealand
Posted 6-Jul-2020 12:30


Menulog change colours as parent company merges with Dutch food delivery service
Posted 2-Jul-2020 07:53


Techweek2020 goes digital to make it easier for Kiwis to connect and learn
Posted 2-Jul-2020 07:48


Catalyst Cloud launches new Solutions Hub to support their kiwi Partners and Customers
Posted 2-Jul-2020 07:44


Microsoft to help New Zealand job seekers acquire new digital skills needed for the COVID-19 economy
Posted 2-Jul-2020 07:41


Hewlett Packard Enterprise introduces new HPE GreenLake cloud services
Posted 24-Jun-2020 08:07


New cloud data protection services from Hewlett Packard Enterprise
Posted 24-Jun-2020 07:58


Hewlett Packard Enterprise unveils HPE Ezmeral, new software portfolio and brand
Posted 24-Jun-2020 07:10


Apple reveals new developer technologies to foster the next generation of apps
Posted 23-Jun-2020 15:30


Poly introduces solutions for Microsoft Teams Rooms
Posted 23-Jun-2020 15:14


Lenovo launches new ThinkPad P Series mobile workstations
Posted 23-Jun-2020 09:17


Lenovo brings Linux certification to ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation portfolio
Posted 23-Jun-2020 08:56


Apple introduces new features for iPhone iOS14 and iPadOS 14
Posted 23-Jun-2020 08:28



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.