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#154260 22-Oct-2014 16:20
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Hi Team

As an IT Service Provider, is there ever a justification for registering a domain in our company name instead of the client's name?  This is something we have never done, but I see it far too often.  We do use our email address in the Registrant's details so notifications of renewals etc come to us, but all other details are those of the client.

We are in the process of onboarding a new client.  Their domain name is registered to their current IT company who is being difficult (though I only have one side of the story).

We have had one client held to ransom by the outgoing IT company who changed email passwords when the client advised they were leaving.  Details were surrendered 3 days later when full and final payment of invoiced had been made, and I got to see the paperwork showing their account was current (i.e. nothing overdue) and there was no reason to suspect that final invoices would be unpaid.

Any thoughts are welcome.




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  #1160104 22-Oct-2014 16:22
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It's dick move ™



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  #1160111 22-Oct-2014 16:27
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Concur, a right pain in the proverbial, when you want to get UDAI codes too

And then the change of ownership procedure :(



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  #1160122 22-Oct-2014 16:46
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IANAL but I believe it is a breach of the .NZ registry terms if the domain is not registered in the name of the actual domains user. Not unless they are renting the domain? I have seen websites hiring out nz domains.



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  #1160123 22-Oct-2014 16:49
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I can see not using their email address if you want to make sure it's registered properly and renewed.

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  #1160140 22-Oct-2014 17:15
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timmmay: I can see not using their email address if you want to make sure it's registered properly and renewed.

Exactly.  Before we started doing that, maybe 1 in 4 clients each year would not get their domain renewed for some reason (changed email address, ignored, spam filtered, etc) and then grumble at us for not keeping an eye on things.

If we ever stopped servicing a client for any reason, I can't picture us ever holding a domain to ransom or similar.  If in an extreme situation we completely cut communications to a client, the provider can fax or post UDAI's to the client's other contact methods.




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  #1160201 22-Oct-2014 17:59
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A web development/hosting company that my uncle was with did this. It was a real pain to request udai to move, Also they didnt answer phones or emails

 
 
 
 

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  #1160258 22-Oct-2014 19:44
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I know someone in this predicament at the moment.
I really feel for this person as they operate a small business run from their home office and don't have the money to fight this other so called professional design company.

Its a real sh*tty thing to do and in my humble opinion, only shows how unprofessional some people can be.
That's the reason karma exists I guess!!!  Some day it'll bite them back in the bum!!!

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  #1160261 22-Oct-2014 19:48
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Depends on the contract and what they are buying, but even if they are only renting the domain and a website they can still appeal to get the name and will win.

Really not having the domain in your name is a most basic mistake to make, but some people are cheap and the promise of not having to pay a bit more up front comes back to bite them later.




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  #1160308 22-Oct-2014 20:46
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We register it fully in our name if a customer doesn't want their details online, however we usually just have us as the technical contact and them as the Registrant / Admin contact





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  #1160318 22-Oct-2014 21:07
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CamH: We register it fully in our name if a customer doesn't want their details online, however we usually just have us as the technical contact and them as the Registrant / Admin contact


Pretty sure that isn't permitted. You should contact the domain name commission to clarify it. There is a reason why the registrant contact details are publicly available. Not sure how much checking is done though.

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  #1160518 23-Oct-2014 10:25
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mattwnz: There is a reason why the registrant contact details are publicly available.

A number of registrars let you make the details confidential IIRC




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  #1160920 23-Oct-2014 19:30
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richms: Depends on the contract and what they are buying, but even if they are only renting the domain and a website they can still appeal to get the name and will win.

Really not having the domain in your name is a most basic mistake to make, but some people are cheap and the promise of not having to pay a bit more up front comes back to bite them later.


If it's a NZ domain name sure you can take it to the DNC and you'll probably win easily (if another company is holding your company domain name hostage) but after paying $2000+ to the DNC for the "expert decision"... it won't feel like a win yell

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  #1160922 23-Oct-2014 19:34
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Many web design/development customers don't understand in the slightest how domain names work.

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  #1160985 23-Oct-2014 21:11
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Yes, also pet peeve for me - there is no good reason to regsiter Domains as the 3rd party nor to hold it at ransom.
Tech contact details are fine though and even better keep them generic due to staff changes.

The other gripe is the registrars with no self-service DNS control panel - get with the times!
There are plenty of good choices - I see AWS getting into the game (which would probably be a good choice)
http://docs.aws.amazon.com/Route53/latest/DeveloperGuide/CreatingNewDNS.html

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