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#210536 1-Apr-2017 09:29
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Hi everyone,

 

I've had an HP Data Vault x510 for about seven years and it's served me well but is due for replacement. It's a fairly small box at around 25x25x13; most of that is for the four drive bays. I'm hoping to find something of a similar size with maybe 2-4 bays but I'm not having much luck.

 

Dell and Lenovo only seem to have full-sized towers and rack-mount machines. HP (or at least the NZ site) apparently hides servers well as I wasn't able to find anything at all!

 

Does anyone know whether something similar to the HP x510 is available from another vendor?

 

Also, I see that a few people now use a NAS instead of a full-blown server. It's my assumption that they're fairly "dumb" devices but it's worth checking: Can I install additional services (such as Subversion) onto a typical NAS or are they exclusively for file storage?

 

As you can probably tell, I'm a bit out of touch with this sort of thing :)

 

Thanks for any comments.


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  #1751529 1-Apr-2017 10:01
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Would a Microserver fit what you're after?
The reason you can't find any servers on the HP site is because they no longer sell them, HPE do https://hpe.co.nz 





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  #1752532 1-Apr-2017 10:55
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Thanks for that; it looks like a MicroServer might do the trick. Time to do some more research :)


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  #1752878 1-Apr-2017 20:38
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I'm a big fan of these HP Microservers.  You can add a RAID card, or you can stick an SSD inside it and still have 4 bays free for a RAID10 or similar array.





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  #1752883 1-Apr-2017 21:00
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I'm seeing some conflicting (or at least confusing) information about using hard drives in a MicroServer. It seems that you don't have to buy HP's drives, but I did find someone asking where to buy trays for third-party drives. My current HP server included empty trays; does the MicroServer include trays or do I have to find them separately?


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  #1752897 1-Apr-2017 21:36
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I have a HP Microserver Gen8. You can use any 3.5" HDD (I'm using 1x 512GB + 3x 4TB drives). You can use 2.5" HDD/SSD but will need an adapter (obviously).

 

 





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  #1752898 1-Apr-2017 21:38
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Also not only I have one (running since 2011), I gave one away as well - back in 2011!





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  #1752939 2-Apr-2017 00:06
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Im interested in this. Mainly because I want to know why you want to go compact.

 

I have a small i5-2500 machine with 3x 3.5" HDD's and a 2.5" SSD. It makes a bit of noise, it runs windows so i can install anything I want on it, but 90% of the time its headless. (I dont need to use the monitor). Its running all day every day, has a 550W PSU, so it costs around $25/mth in electricity im guessing? Maybe uses 100watt all day? It runs plex so ramps up a bit when its transcoding.

 

I was wondering if you prefer to go compact because you want it to be small and quiet. Or you plan to run it all day and you are trying to save $ on the electricity bill each mth. 

 

My brother in law has a Synology NAS and has some apps installed on it. Its got an Atom CPU in it, and it seems to run an FTP server, Plex and a few other apps fine.

 

Also (in my opinion) subversion is quite in-efficient. I used to LOVE it.... but now, personally would migrate the repos to Git.




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  #1753016 2-Apr-2017 08:34
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darylblake: Im interested in this. Mainly because I want to know why you want to go compact.

 

The simple answer is that the shelf that I currently use won't fit a full-size tower, and rackmounted is overkill (and likely to be loud!)

 

darylblake: I was wondering if you prefer to go compact because you want it to be small and quiet. Or you plan to run it all day and you are trying to save $ on the electricity bill each mth.

 

Ideally I'd run the new one all day (so being quiet helps). The HP has a 150W PSU so if it's running at full pelt 24/7 then it'll cost around $32.50/month. Of course, it won't be chewing all that energy all the time!

 

darylblake: Also (in my opinion) subversion is quite in-efficient. I used to LOVE it.... but now, personally would migrate the repos to Git.

 

I was in two minds about mentioning Subversion by name for fear that I'd get a Git comment. It's not suitable for my environment.


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  #1753079 2-Apr-2017 09:42
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Supermicro have a mini server http://www.wiredzone.com/supermicro-servers-compact-embedded-processor-sys-5028d-tn4t-12c-b2-10026362b2

 

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I've been eyeing up the SilverStone DS380 for a while. It takes 8 drives so has plenty of room to grow. But you'd probably need to assemble it yourself. The only issue I've seen mentioned is that airflow over the drives could be better.

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  #1796063 7-Jun-2017 17:34
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After learning about MicroServers in this thread I did a bit more research and decided to wait a couple of months for new hardware. Sure enough, there is now a "Gen10" model. However, I can't for the life of me find where to buy one. HP doesn't appear to sell them directly and the reseller locator is hopeless (listing Paper Plus among other places!). My usual "go-to" for this sort of thing is Ascent but they don't seem to have the Gen10 at this stage.

 

I want to at least find a ballpark price; can anyone advise where I should be looking?


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  #1796064 7-Jun-2017 17:36
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Gen 10 was announced yesterday and won't be available until later in the year.




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  #1796065 7-Jun-2017 17:37
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Sigh... you'd think they could actually state that on the site instead of having a "buy now" button that takes you to resellers!

 

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  #1796068 7-Jun-2017 17:43
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Posted the press release on Geekzone today. Still on frontpage.




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  #1796070 7-Jun-2017 17:44
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Yep, and I saw the headline and went straight for HP's site without reading the rest of it tongue-out


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