Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




1071 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 88

Subscriber

Topic # 222810 29-Aug-2017 14:30
Send private message quote this post

I'm just looking at this and was wondering if anyone has crunched the numbers on a site likely to do a small number of transactions a month with lots of items at a very small price point.

 

From what I can work out with Shopify you pay the monthly free + 30c for each transaction + 2.7% for a kiwi CC + 2% if they don't use the Shopify Payments gateway. Is that correct ?

 

Building a Wordpress+WooCommerce site is easy, but am I right in thinking the only fees above hosting the site and a theme (and maybe a plugin) would be the CC charges for a payment gateway ?

 

So if I understand it correctly with Shopify 100 transactions of 1*$5 item would be $82.50 a month. Where as 200 transactions with 2*$5 items would be $183 a month. Whereas for those with WP+WC it would only be the CC fees on the gateway we choose.

 

Am I on the right track ?


Create new topic
445 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 93

Subscriber

  Reply # 1854827 29-Aug-2017 15:00
Send private message quote this post

You are definitely on the right track.

 

The only fees with WooCommerce are hosting, SSL cert (you could probably just get a free Let's Encrypt one) and the transaction fees. I believe Stripe fees are 2.9% + 30c (slightly higher than Shopify's 2.7%).




1071 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 88

Subscriber

  Reply # 1854837 29-Aug-2017 15:13
Send private message quote this post

So if I use Shopify Payments rather than an external gateway to save the additional 2% fee and base the decision purely on transaction costs there is no real advantage to DIY with WP+WC+Stripe is there ?

 

Obviously it would give me complete control of the site, but costs wise it's just the hosting (WP vs Shopify) which is minimal per month.

 

It's been a while since I last looked into this :)


 
 
 
 


445 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 93

Subscriber

  Reply # 1854848 29-Aug-2017 15:26
Send private message quote this post

Correct - if you're basing it solely on transaction costs, I believe Shopify (using their new-ish Shopify Payments option) is the winner.

 

And yep, WooCommerce would give you more control but in all honesty there's not a lot of customisation that you can't do in Shopify - I'm currently building three separate stores on Shopify and they're all custom HTML/CSS/JS.

 

I've been impressed with Liquid (Shopify's backend language) and how versatile it is, but that might be because it seems quite similar to PHP which I'm experienced with.


13322 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1587


  Reply # 1854851 29-Aug-2017 15:36
Send private message quote this post

Benjip:

 

 

 

 

 

 

The problem though with software as a service is what happens if the pricing changes and if it becomes really expensive. Or if the company closes down or decides to phase out the product. eg crashplan and pandora NZ recently. You can't usually easily move it to a new system.  If a host closes down, you can just move the website, as long as you got a backup, but that doesn't usually apply with software as a service, as the website isn't owned but rented . There are also other software as a service options that don't charge a percentage of the sale price. All things to keep in mind. Wordpress and woo maybe relatively easy to setup. But it is when things go wrong, eg the site gets hacked, and update goes wrong, a theme breaks due to incompatibility etc, where people often run into problems.


691 posts

Ultimate Geek
+1 received by user: 95

Trusted

  Reply # 1854881 29-Aug-2017 16:12
Send private message quote this post

We run a few Shopify sites and a WooCommerce site at work. We've used eway and now Stripe with Shopify. (I don't recommend eway as trying to navigate their site is an exercise in frustration, but that's beside the point)

 

I'd really recommend Shopify over WooCommerce. The cost is fair, and it's really nice that they handle hosting/security/upgrades for you. Plus the product is really polished. Definitely worth it in my book.





 




1071 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 88

Subscriber

  Reply # 1854883 29-Aug-2017 16:15
Send private message quote this post

mattwnz:

 

The problem though with software as a service is what happens if the pricing changes and if it becomes really expensive. Or if the company closes down or decides to phase out the product. eg crashplan and pandora NZ recently. You can't usually easily move it to a new system.  If a host closes down, you can just move the website, as long as you got a backup, but that doesn't usually apply with software as a service, as the website isn't owned but rented . There are also other software as a service options that don't charge a percentage of the sale price. All things to keep in mind. Wordpress and woo maybe relatively easy to setup. But it is when things go wrong, eg the site gets hacked, and update goes wrong, a theme breaks due to incompatibility etc, where people often run into problems.

 

 

All good points and as I would be looking after any WP site, those points are not a problem. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything on the cost differences before making a decision.


Infrastructure Geek
4043 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 193

Trusted
Microsoft NZ
Subscriber

  Reply # 1854905 29-Aug-2017 17:58
Send private message quote this post

Check out www.storbie.com. A local startup (wellington based) with great pricing and features.




Technical Evangelist
Microsoft NZ
about.me/nzregs
Twitter: @nzregs


13322 posts

Uber Geek
+1 received by user: 1587


  Reply # 1854936 29-Aug-2017 20:21
Send private message quote this post

martyyn:

 

mattwnz:

 

The problem though with software as a service is what happens if the pricing changes and if it becomes really expensive. Or if the company closes down or decides to phase out the product. eg crashplan and pandora NZ recently. You can't usually easily move it to a new system.  If a host closes down, you can just move the website, as long as you got a backup, but that doesn't usually apply with software as a service, as the website isn't owned but rented . There are also other software as a service options that don't charge a percentage of the sale price. All things to keep in mind. Wordpress and woo maybe relatively easy to setup. But it is when things go wrong, eg the site gets hacked, and update goes wrong, a theme breaks due to incompatibility etc, where people often run into problems.

 

 

All good points and as I would be looking after any WP site, those points are not a problem. I just wanted to be sure I wasn't missing anything on the cost differences before making a decision.

 

 

 

 

I think you do have to buy plugins for Woo. You probably also need to pay for things like backup services, and potentially site monitoring. Shared hosting may not be suitable either, as some hosts can struggle running wordpress with slow loading, or lots of small micro outages. So you may need VPS hosting. The other thing is risk, as if it gets hacked, and personal shopping info is stolen, who is then responsible, and how do you get it audited? Whereas with a Software as a service, the hosting and software backend is all managed for you.

 

One way to look at it, is that with Shopify you are 'renting' the website. Whereas with Woo and WP, you essentially own the website, so you have more control in that respect.So there are a lot of pros and cons either way.


Create new topic



Twitter »

Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

From small to medium and beyond: Navigating the ERP battlefield
Posted 21-Nov-2017 21:12


Business owners: ERP software selection starts (and finishes) with you
Posted 21-Nov-2017 21:11


Why I'm not an early adopter
Posted 21-Nov-2017 10:39


Netatmo launches smart home products in New Zealand
Posted 20-Nov-2017 20:06


Huawei Mate 10: Punchy, long battery life, artificial intelligence
Posted 20-Nov-2017 16:30


Propel launch Disney Star Wars Laser Battle Drones
Posted 19-Nov-2017 21:26


UFB killer app: Speed
Posted 17-Nov-2017 17:01


The case for RSS — MacSparky
Posted 13-Nov-2017 14:35


WordPress and Indieweb: Take control of your online presence — 6:30 GridAKL Nov 30
Posted 11-Nov-2017 13:43


Chorus reveals technology upgrade for schools, students
Posted 10-Nov-2017 10:28


Vodafone says Internet of Things (IoT) crucial for digital transformation
Posted 10-Nov-2017 10:06


Police and Facebook launch AMBER Alerts system in NZ
Posted 9-Nov-2017 10:49


Amazon debuts Fire TV Stick Basic Edition in over 100 new countries
Posted 8-Nov-2017 05:34


Vodafone VoIP transition to start this month
Posted 7-Nov-2017 12:33


Spark enhances IoT network capability
Posted 7-Nov-2017 11:33



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.