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Topic # 28488 1-Dec-2008 20:59
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in case you didnt already know....  but its fairly obvious from the error message currently showing on their site when trying to browse rewards....





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  Reply # 181602 2-Dec-2008 16:11
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My personal opinion is using sharepoint for anything other than intranet document/content management is probably epic fail (technical term!) however a wise man once said: "given unlimited time and money anything is possible..."

http://ari.provoke.co.nz/archive/2008/01/08/how-we-did-it-fly-buys-website.aspx


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  Reply # 182876 8-Dec-2008 23:33
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Interesting opinion... Smile
in the same way the blind leading the blind leads to failure as well. There are many sites using SharePoint for pure WCM and saying that it's difficult or costs more money than any other CM system is quite a vague statement. The lack of expertise in the local (NZ) market and typical we'll train our people on the job with SharePoint approach often leads to the typical let's blame the product idiocy.

Proper planning and analysis coupled with solid ASP.net web dev can produce great WCM sites using SharePoint as a platform. Funny how many local IT companies have missed the boat on SharePoint and just create negative vibes.

Check out WCM sites on SharePoint > http://www.wssdemo.com/Pages/topwebsites.aspx




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  Reply # 183181 9-Dec-2008 22:26
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ChanK: Interesting opinion... Smile

Funny how many local IT companies have missed the boat on SharePoint and just create negative vibes.


In my last job we had to deal with a bit of sharepoint cant say it was my favourite product lets just say some of those "vibes' are based on real experiences...


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  Reply # 183186 9-Dec-2008 22:37
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in case you didnt already know....  but its fairly obvious from the error message currently showing on their site when trying to browse rewards....



Yep, it is running in SharePoint. There are other websites like Turners Auction too running in SharePoint Smile




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  Reply # 183188 9-Dec-2008 22:45
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Ragnor: My personal opinion is using sharepoint for anything other than intranet document/content management is probably epic fail (technical term!) however a wise man once said: "given unlimited time and money anything is possible..."


That myth is going on for a long time now...SharePoint 2007 is really good and powerful. And yes, its not a platform for people who want things to work straight away. Its not for ordinary blogs. Proper planning, architecture and design leads to a successfull SharePoint deployment.




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Proper planning and analysis coupled with solid ASP.net web dev can produce great WCM sites using SharePoint as a platform


Well said Smile




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  Reply # 183191 9-Dec-2008 22:53
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chakkaradeep:
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in case you didnt already know....  but its fairly obvious from the error message currently showing on their site when trying to browse rewards....



Yep, it is running in SharePoint. There are other websites like Turners Auction too running in SharePoint Smile


I havent seen the turners site throw up an unbranded sharepoint error page like the fly buys one does - it "hides" its sharepointnesss well.  The screenshot posted was a genuine error occurring for several hours on the live site, but add garbage to any URL and up comes the standard sharepoint error page complete with online help - e.g. try following the link below, or just add garbage to any url:

https://www.flybuys.co.nz/CollectPoints/Pages/Participant.aspx?CompanyID=5&jfkjfj




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  Reply # 183195 9-Dec-2008 23:03
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Regs: The screenshot posted was a genuine error occurring for several hours on the live site, but add garbage to any URL and up comes the standard sharepoint error page complete with online help
e.g. try following the link below, or just add garbage to any url:

https://www.flybuys.co.nz/CollectPoints/Pages/Participant.aspx?CompanyID=5&jfkjfj


hmm..Turners Auction have certainly customised that '404 error', like this




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  Reply # 183205 9-Dec-2008 23:15
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chakkaradeep:
Regs: The screenshot posted was a genuine error occurring for several hours on the live site, but add garbage to any URL and up comes the standard sharepoint error page complete with online help
e.g. try following the link below, or just add garbage to any url:

https://www.flybuys.co.nz/chaks


hmm..Turners Auction have certainly customised that '404 error', like this


Actually turners returns a standard 404 error.  Flybuys returns a customised 404 error "we apologise.". 

Its the "system error" page that is returning the default sharepoint error page.




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Regs:
chakkaradeep:
Regs: The screenshot posted was a genuine error occurring for several hours on the live site, but add garbage to any URL and up comes the standard sharepoint error page complete with online help
e.g. try following the link below, or just add garbage to any url:

https://www.flybuys.co.nz/chaks


hmm..Turners Auction have certainly customised that '404 error', like this


Actually turners returns a standard 404 error.  Flybuys returns a customised 404 error "we apologise.". 

Its the "system error" page that is returning the default sharepoint error page.



Go to any SharePoint Site and add http://[URL]/_layouts/help.aspx and you get the help page. It's a known fact.

EX: http://www.turners.co.nz/_layouts/help.aspx
The help pages are simply HTML pages served out of the "_layouts" virtual directory. So there is nothing special about it. Wink

Yes, you can hide these buy adding some restrictions on your FW based on some rules. But to be honest why bother they are just some bunch of pages anyway which does no harm.




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well... that took 5 minutes... never used sharepoint before but i googled for default directory structure sharepoint... and found this
http://grounding.co.za/blogs/brett/archive/2008/03/24/sharepoint-get-to-know-the-directory-structure-in-the-12-hive.aspx

so then took a guess with this
http://www.turners.co.nz/Help

but got nothing, so tried a guess at this (everything has an index) and noted from the first link that sharepoint uses .chm:
http://www.turners.co.nz/Help/index.chm

"The following file(s) have been blocked by the administrator: /Help/index.chm

Troubleshoot issues with Windows SharePoint Services."


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  Reply # 183417 10-Dec-2008 22:50
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but got nothing, so tried a guess at this (everything has an index) and noted from the first link that sharepoint uses .chm:
http://www.turners.co.nz/Help/index.chm

"The following file(s) have been blocked by the administrator: /Help/index.chm

Troubleshoot issues with Windows SharePoint Services."


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nice one :P

here is another attempt: http://www.hawaiianair.com/Help/index.chm

you get the same error, but this page is "branded" (well, it is not quite the standard wss error page)




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  Reply # 183429 11-Dec-2008 00:02
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chakkaradeep:

That myth is going on for a long time now...SharePoint 2007 is really good and powerful. And yes, its not a platform for people who want things to work straight away. Its not for ordinary blogs.


Naturally 2007 is a significant advance over 2003 no one said it wasn't.  I was merely stating my opinion that while it's strong for intranet document management it's not strong for a modern internet facing site without significant developement cost on top of the other costs for sharepoint.

chakkaradeep:

Proper planning, architecture and design leads to a successfull SharePoint deployment.



That is equally true for almost any development on any platform.

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