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https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/in-the-works-aws-region-in-new-zealand/


"Today I am happy to announce that the new AWS Asia Pacific (Auckland) Region is in the works and will open in 2024. This region will have three Availability Zones and will give AWS customers in New Zealand the ability to run workloads and store data that must remain in-country."


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Note this is NOT an Amazon shopping warehouse.


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  #2782616 23-Sep-2021 11:33
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Can someone elaborate how they will spend $7.5bn over 15 years? That seems to be an absurd amount of money, I'm suspecting its accounting tricks etc?

 

To put it in perspective, Commercial Bay cost just over $1bn.


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  #2782619 23-Sep-2021 11:36
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This is awwwwwwwesome. Was bound to happen I guess after Microsoft announcing their plan.

We will certainly move all our stuff out of Sydney!

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  #2782628 23-Sep-2021 12:04
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Nate001:

 

Can someone elaborate how they will spend $7.5bn over 15 years? That seems to be an absurd amount of money, I'm suspecting its accounting tricks etc?

 

To put it in perspective, Commercial Bay cost just over $1bn.

 

 

 

 

This likely includes the initial build cost, kit-out, operating costs (including salaries etc), lifecycle replacement of equipment over that period, etc. It's about $2.5b per AZ. Commercial Bay's $1bn was just build a building, basically.




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  #2782632 23-Sep-2021 12:29
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This is massive news for the local IT industry.


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  #2782643 23-Sep-2021 12:51
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Incredible news for the industry but am curious where their 100% renewable power by 2025 is being magicked up from?

 

The North Island is already consumption rich, generation poor hence the rolling blackouts a couple of months ago.  Combined with Microsoft's data centre due to go live about the same time and both being in Auckland wonder where is all the required secure supply will come from?


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  #2782652 23-Sep-2021 13:05
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Groucho:

 

Incredible news for the industry but am curious where their 100% renewable power by 2025 is being magicked up from?

 

The North Island is already consumption rich, generation poor hence the rolling blackouts a couple of months ago.  Combined with Microsoft's data centre due to go live about the same time and both being in Auckland wonder where is all the required secure supply will come from?

 

 

 

 

exactly , with Auckland drought or there is an alternatively ?


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  #2782665 23-Sep-2021 13:31
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Nate001:

Can someone elaborate how they will spend $7.5bn over 15 years? That seems to be an absurd amount of money, I'm suspecting its accounting tricks etc?


To put it in perspective, Commercial Bay cost just over $1bn.



Investments in building three different zones that make up a region. All in Auckland. Plus 1000 new jobs.




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  #2782667 23-Sep-2021 13:41
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Groucho:

 

Incredible news for the industry but am curious where their 100% renewable power by 2025 is being magicked up from?

 

The North Island is already consumption rich, generation poor hence the rolling blackouts a couple of months ago.  Combined with Microsoft's data centre due to go live about the same time and both being in Auckland wonder where is all the required secure supply will come from?

 

 

I'm guessing they will be purchasing from a 100 renewable provider, but what comes out the end of the plug is always a mix... I also suspect they will have a "solar roof" that will allow them claim some onsite generation as a share of that.... 

 

If they are really committed to a100% target then they could have an onsite battery to reduce grid usage in peak carbon intensity periods,

 

But if they are grid connected, its all green accounting tricks...


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I'd love to see Amazon provide a break down of the DC build costs per sqm compared with other regions. It would be a great indicator of how expensive our construction industry really is.





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freitasm:
Nate001:

 

Can someone elaborate how they will spend $7.5bn over 15 years? That seems to be an absurd amount of money, I'm suspecting its accounting tricks etc?

 

 

 

To put it in perspective, Commercial Bay cost just over $1bn.

 



Investments in building three different zones that make up a region. All in Auckland. Plus 1000 new jobs.

 

$500 million a year ($7.5b/15yr) is a pretty big spend on average...  I'm guessing a chunk is OPex (power/wages).. but there still has to be a big pile of CAPex in here somewhere....


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Buying 100% renewable doesnt mean your actual electrons are generated from renewable but it does mean the money goes to renewable sources etc.

But lets hope its a bit more substantial than that there is obviously money  in there enough for some solar/storage etc.


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Groucho:

 

Incredible news for the industry but am curious where their 100% renewable power by 2025 is being magicked up from?

 

The North Island is already consumption rich, generation poor hence the rolling blackouts a couple of months ago.  Combined with Microsoft's data centre due to go live about the same time and both being in Auckland wonder where is all the required secure supply will come from?

 

 

1) Amazon buy their electricity off Meridian, the "100% renewables" retailer. Then it's Meridian's problem, not Amazon's

 

2) Amazon buy, buy into, or JV with a big wind-farm development - there are plenty consented. Then they can say, truthfully, "we generated X Gwh of renewable energy last year, and consumed X-y GWh, hence we are fully renewable"

 

Neither of the approaches is demonstrably untruthful

 

 

 

 

 

@RobDickinson was quicker than me


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  #2782805 23-Sep-2021 14:25
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openmedia:

 

I'd love to see Amazon provide a break down of the DC build costs per sqm compared with other regions. It would be a great indicator of how expensive our construction industry really is.

 

 

Unlikely, Amazon is probably the most opaque of the big three in terms of breaking out costs and carbon accounting for analysis 

 

https://www.wired.com/story/amazon-google-microsoft-green-clouds-and-hyperscale-data-centers/

 

Although you should be able to garner some idea of their spend via the public accounts of their onshore NZ subsidiaries... but its usually well after the fact...

 

 


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Forget building materials just wait till they try buy some 3090's from PB tech...


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  #2782813 23-Sep-2021 14:36
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freitasm:

 

Investments in building three different zones that make up a region. All in Auckland. Plus 1000 new jobs.

 

I'm imagining these people aren't going to be all from NZ, not sure where they would magic up 1000 people to be honest :)

 

 


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