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# 42825 12-Oct-2009 11:03
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Would love to be sitting in on that one!


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  # 263467 12-Oct-2009 12:27
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Yep. I would love to be there too. It was pretty chaotic yesterday. Very unfortunate day to happen on being the last day of the holidays.




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  # 263476 12-Oct-2009 12:55
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I guess AIR NZ problems weren't made any better due to the fact that they have gotten rid of most manual checkin desks. Automated checkin only these days..




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  # 263477 12-Oct-2009 12:56
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If the tone of this email is carried into the meeting it would be an absolute ripper!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2955289/Air-New-Zealand-boss-criticises-IBM-over-outage

(sorry, javascript disabled on work computer so can't put it in as a proper link)

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  # 263479 12-Oct-2009 13:01
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doubt we'll get to know the true stary

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  # 263482 12-Oct-2009 13:18
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We aren't all running around in a blind panic...yet

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# 263484 12-Oct-2009 13:24
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Well I can say that AIr NZ were not the only company impacted as the IBM data center holds many differnet companyies systems.  Ours were impacted but thank god they had redundancy and the majority were not customer facing.

The email tells you what happened.  There is a little more to it but essentialy in laymans terms what was said is correct.

I know I was very busy yesterday arvo trying to sort out engineers and parts replacements due to blown power supplies etc. Yell

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  # 263485 12-Oct-2009 13:24
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I imagine it will go like this:
AirNZ: Why haven't you provided DR?
IBM: You haven't paid for it.
AirNZ: Ah, right.

 
 
 
 


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  # 263489 12-Oct-2009 13:50
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LOL you are probably right there

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  # 263512 12-Oct-2009 15:54
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corksta: If the tone of this email is carried into the meeting it would be an absolute ripper!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2955289/Air-New-Zealand-boss-criticises-IBM-over-outage


There are some absolute gems in that news article about IBM including:

I am struggling to recall a time where I have seen a supplier so slow to react to a catastrophic system failure such as this and so unwilling to accept responsibility and apologise to its client and its client's customers


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I have been left with no option but to ask the IT team to review the full range of options available to us


Oops and ouch.

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  # 263520 12-Oct-2009 16:19
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We had IBM SANs and that when horribly wrong on two Fridays ago... and the crew still trying to fix it... what happened was the SANs' dual controllers gone dead at the same time, chances of that happening is really really really really rare!




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  # 263524 12-Oct-2009 16:46
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nate:
corksta: If the tone of this email is carried into the meeting it would be an absolute ripper!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2955289/Air-New-Zealand-boss-criticises-IBM-over-outage


There are some absolute gems in that news article about IBM including:

I am struggling to recall a time where I have seen a supplier so slow to react to a catastrophic system failure such as this and so unwilling to accept responsibility and apologise to its client and its client's customers


and

I have been left with no option but to ask the IT team to review the full range of options available to us


Oops and ouch.



Agreed! My fiance is a flight attendant for Air NZ and got home at 3.30am this morning (delayed 4 hours) so she was having a chuckle too. His internal emails are normally quite placid so this must have really riled him up!

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  # 263526 12-Oct-2009 17:06
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You sorta wonder if the intitial call from Air NZ to IBM was picked up by some low level desk warmer, who on a Sunday afternoon replied with something like, "its the weekend call back monday" :D



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# 263527 12-Oct-2009 17:12
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wellygary: You sorta wonder if the intitial call from Air NZ to IBM was picked up by some low level desk warmer, who on a Sunday afternoon replied with something like, "its the weekend call back monday" :D



Or "Have you tried turning the computer off and on again?"





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  # 263720 13-Oct-2009 19:01
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I'm quite surprised it all went so pear shaped, when I was on the AirNZ account at IBM it was all reasonably well setup and they'd had power outages before that they'd survived .... guess a lot changes in 5 years though.

You can bet the "no apologies from IBM" part is because the IBM lawyers would forbid anyone apologising because it admits blame, there will be the root cause analysis and follow on investigations to do before any says anything.

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  # 263927 14-Oct-2009 18:17
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nate:
corksta: If the tone of this email is carried into the meeting it would be an absolute ripper!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/2955289/Air-New-Zealand-boss-criticises-IBM-over-outage


There are some absolute gems in that news article about IBM including:

I am struggling to recall a time where I have seen a supplier so slow to react to a catastrophic system failure such as this and so unwilling to accept responsibility and apologise to its client and its client's customers


Oops and ouch.


Well interestingly enough I was having a discussion on sunday morning about VMware and virtualisation etc with one of the IBM on call engineers when he got a very frantic phone call advising him of multiple systems down. He junmped up got his PC/Mac from this car and plugged in the Vodafone wireless connection and started looking at all the virtual machines which were down, after which he made anther call and had to go to the data centre.

Hardly slow response from the Engineer. I suspect it took a while for IBM to contact their techs to sort the problem out from what it sounds.

Interestingly enough that data centre is being decommissioned from what I hear and all services pulled over to the new Orbit Data Centre in Albany which is Tier 3+ versus only Tier 2.

Without knowing what SLA was sold to Air New Zealand and what they paid for in terms of DR, no ammount of finger pointing will fix.

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