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#69872 14-Oct-2010 15:17

Hi There!

I am in dire need of at least one more public IP. I don't really want to spend $1000 to get a 8/8MB connection that allows this, and I was thinking of getting a naked DSL connection and routing the traffic using our sonicwall.

It's mostly for a single server that will host some of our mobile services, and we won't need lan access to the internet through it.

Is this the most appropriate and cost effective way to solve the problem? My existing lines are with VF, but I have heard NDSL with VF is nothing but trouble?

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#391839 14-Oct-2010 16:11

Depending on your DSL provider they can probably route a small subnet (Say a /30, 4 IPs) to your ADSL IP address.

Larger ISPs will laugh at you or just get really confused when you suggest this though.

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#391861 14-Oct-2010 16:36

Chippo: Depending on your DSL provider they can probably route a small subnet (Say a /30, 4 IPs) to your ADSL IP address.

I know Snap do this sorta thing, not sure if they'll do it over naked DSL though. Give them a yell.

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#391877 14-Oct-2010 16:57

Heya;

We can route a subnet over your ADSL line, saves you paying quite a bit for 2+ ADSL connections, your end equipment will just have to support this which the sonicwall will be fine.

Most larger ISP's can do this, but charge quite a bit for it. We won't charge you a arm and a leg, if you wish to discuss options you can flick me a DM on Geekzone. We can do this over Naked or Standard ADSL.

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#426542 12-Jan-2011 15:07

Is there a way to have this done without involving your ISP? VF won't do this and I have a contract, but presumably I could buy a block of 2 ip's elsewhere somehow and have them router that through to my 1 IP, and then using my sonicwalls rules route internally for that? Or am I being thick?

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#426556 12-Jan-2011 15:33

networkn: Is there a way to have this done without involving your ISP? VF won't do this and I have a contract, but presumably I could buy a block of 2 ip's elsewhere somehow and have them router that through to my 1 IP, and then using my sonicwalls rules route internally for that? Or am I being thick?

you could probably buy a vpn service with a couple of ip's on it. whether you would get any decent performance for traffic delivered obver the vpn would be another thing altogether - there probably arent NZ companies that would offer it. you'd also then be wasting 1 public ipv4 address then, and the end of the internet would come faster!

how much to break your VF contract? surely is only like $100 for a DSL connection?

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#426877 13-Jan-2011 15:51

networkn: Is there a way to have this done without involving your ISP? VF won't do this and I have a contract, but presumably I could buy a block of 2 ip's elsewhere somehow and have them router that through to my 1 IP, and then using my sonicwalls rules route internally for that? Or am I being thick?

The IPs have to be provisioned by your ISP (unless you are mega big and can get your own). TBH your best bet is to leave Vodafone and look to someone like Unleash to do this for you. Have you thought about just colocating your server at a data center?

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#426882 13-Jan-2011 16:17

Zeon:
networkn: Is there a way to have this done without involving your ISP? VF won't do this and I have a contract, but presumably I could buy a block of 2 ip's elsewhere somehow and have them router that through to my 1 IP, and then using my sonicwalls rules route internally for that? Or am I being thick?

The IPs have to be provisioned by your ISP (unless you are mega big and can get your own). TBH your best bet is to leave Vodafone and look to someone like Unleash to do this for you. Have you thought about just colocating your server at a data center?

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#428098 17-Jan-2011 16:49

It's hard to believe that after all this time, there is still no way to get this done easily.

I have no desire to move my servers offsite.

I am surprised there isn't some $20 a month place you can purchase ip's and have them route somehow.

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#428112 17-Jan-2011 17:26

networkn: It's hard to believe that after all this time, there is still no way to get this done easily.

I have no desire to move my servers offsite.

I am surprised there isn't some $20 a month place you can purchase ip's and have them route somehow.

Lol I think you have absolutely no concept of how the internet works. Your ISP HAS to provide you with the IPs unless you have your own from APNIC which you have to be very big for (like an ISP). The only other way would be some kind of shonky VPN but that is a very bad idea if your wanting to host something that needs any kind of reliability.

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#428113 17-Jan-2011 17:41

I think my understanding is just fine, but perhaps I don't understand the limitations of the technology at this point. Anyways, seems like at this point I just need to find an ISP who will offer me multiple IP's through xdsl and decide if my cancellation policy is worth paying.

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#428397 18-Jan-2011 12:35

Multiple public ip's are not normally needed.

Is there some reason you can't use multiple domain names for the services?

eg:
yourservice1.yourdomain.co.nz
yourservice2.yourdomain.co.nz

These can point to different services on a single server easily via A or CNAME records and host headering or every using different ports for different services.

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#428551 18-Jan-2011 19:13

Ragnor: Multiple public ip's are not normally needed.

Is there some reason you can't use multiple domain names for the services?

eg:
yourservice1.yourdomain.co.nz
yourservice2.yourdomain.co.nz

These can point to different services on a single server easily via A or CNAME records and host headering or every using different ports for different services.

its not typically possible to do that for HTTPS applications, especially if they reside on different servers. you usually need an advanced firewall, or something like ISA Server/TMG server to split SSL.

HTTP and other services are typically easier to break out as there is no certificate involved.

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#428556 18-Jan-2011 19:22

Or use SNI. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Server_Name_Indication

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#428559 18-Jan-2011 19:25

kyhwana2: Or use SNI. https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Server_Name_Indication

given that the support for that is pretty poor, you are typically better off finding a different solution.

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#428560 18-Jan-2011 19:27

networkn: It's hard to believe that after all this time, there is still no way to get this done easily.

I have no desire to move my servers offsite.

I am surprised there isn't some $20 a month place you can purchase ip's and have them route somehow.

for $20 per month, thats $240 per year. How much are your 'early termination fees' from vodafone? how much more/less would it cost you per month to move your services to a different ISP which did have multiple ip capability?

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