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#436334 7-Feb-2011 15:26

Kordia's got the towers but has zero mobile network deployed and have none of the monitoring/provisioning/deployment systems in place, which is a lead time increase.

I'm personally not a fan of the Telecom/Vodafone bid but I have to admit they would be the companies best suited for a rapid deployment

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#436376 7-Feb-2011 16:51

Does this give the TC/VF team the opportunity to use the short-cut options to get past RMA delays for the multitude of new cell sites I wonder??

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#436438 7-Feb-2011 18:38

oxnsox: Does this give the TC/VF team the opportunity to use the short-cut options to get past RMA delays for the multitude of new cell sites I wonder??

Exactly and I believe they (vfone) have to erect over 160 cellsites to fulfil the UBI contract. What makes me laugh HSPA+ has not even been deployed in urban areas.
I also wonder when LTE is going to be deployed here as other countries are well advanced in deploying this technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution

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#436442 7-Feb-2011 18:44

ajw:
oxnsox: Does this give the TC/VF team the opportunity to use the short-cut options to get past RMA delays for the multitude of new cell sites I wonder??

Exactly and I believe they (vfone) have to erect over 160 cellsites to fulfil the UBI contract. What makes me laugh HSPA+ has not even been deployed in urban areas.
I also wonder when LTE is going to be deployed here as other countries are well advanced in deploying this technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution

LTE will be deployed here after ASO when the 700MHz spectrum is available. There could be some 2.6GHz stuff before then for fixed broadband.

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#436443 7-Feb-2011 18:48

sbiddle:
ajw:
oxnsox: Does this give the TC/VF team the opportunity to use the short-cut options to get past RMA delays for the multitude of new cell sites I wonder??

Exactly and I believe they (vfone) have to erect over 160 cellsites to fulfil the UBI contract. What makes me laugh HSPA+ has not even been deployed in urban areas.
I also wonder when LTE is going to be deployed here as other countries are well advanced in deploying this technology.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3GPP_Long_Term_Evolution

LTE will be deployed here after ASO when the 700MHz spectrum is available. There could be some 2.6GHz stuff before then for fixed broadband.

Steve I believe the Maoris have made a claim with the Waitangi tribunal that this radio spectrum be given to them rather than being auctioned. As you are aware LTE can be used on a multitude of different frequency bands.

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#436448 7-Feb-2011 18:54

ajw:

Steve I believe the Maoris have made a claim with the Waitangi tribunal that this radio spectrum be given to them rather than being auctioned. As you are aware LTE can be used on a multitude of different frequency bands.

I'm not sure how they can claim radio frequencies, they didn't even know they existed at the time!
This will be super-messed up if they get it and it ends up holding up the LTE roll out.

Wether there are any unallocated frequencies that LTE can run on will be interesting. The other problem is that you need phones/hardware that work on the frequencies that VFNZ/XT end up getting.

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#436450 7-Feb-2011 18:56

I'm not sure if 160 new sites is correct, I that number includes upgrades to existing sites for things like more pole space and increase services at the tower.

I also wonder if there wont be changes to the RMA to help the winner bypass the red tape

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#436452 7-Feb-2011 18:57

kyhwana2:
ajw:

Steve I believe the Maoris have made a claim with the Waitangi tribunal that this radio spectrum be given to them rather than being auctioned. As you are aware LTE can be used on a multitude of different frequency bands.

I'm not sure how they can claim radio frequencies, they didn't even know they existed at the time!
This will be super-messed up if they get it and it ends up holding up the LTE roll out.

Wether there are any unallocated frequencies that LTE can run on will be interesting. The other problem is that you need phones/hardware that work on the frequencies that VFNZ/XT end up getting.

That's one of the strong points of the Kordia/Woosh bid, They have 70+mhz of licensed prime LTE band already

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#436458 7-Feb-2011 19:01

kyhwana2:
ajw:

Steve I believe the Maoris have made a claim with the Waitangi tribunal that this radio spectrum be given to them rather than being auctioned. As you are aware LTE can be used on a multitude of different frequency bands.

I'm not sure how they can claim radio frequencies, they didn't even know they existed at the time!
This will be super-messed up if they get it and it ends up holding up the LTE roll out.

Wether there are any unallocated frequencies that LTE can run on will be interesting. The other problem is that you need phones/hardware that work on the frequencies that VFNZ/XT end up getting.

Remember back in 2000/2001 when the then Labour Govt was auctioning off 3G 2100MHZ radio spectrum the Maoris demanded a free slice of this spectrum. The govt ignored their demands but gave them a 5% discount and $5million of seed money to Hautaki. That company is now called 2 degrees mobile.

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#436461 7-Feb-2011 19:04

ajw:
kyhwana2:
ajw:

Steve I believe the Maoris have made a claim with the Waitangi tribunal that this radio spectrum be given to them rather than being auctioned. As you are aware LTE can be used on a multitude of different frequency bands.

I'm not sure how they can claim radio frequencies, they didn't even know they existed at the time!
This will be super-messed up if they get it and it ends up holding up the LTE roll out.

Wether there are any unallocated frequencies that LTE can run on will be interesting. The other problem is that you need phones/hardware that work on the frequencies that VFNZ/XT end up getting.

Remember back in 2000/2001 when the then Labour Govt was auctioning off 3G 2100MHZ radio spectrum the Maoris demanded a free slice of this spectrum. The govt ignored their demands but gave them a 5% discount and $5million of seed money to Hautaki. That company is now called 2 degrees mobile.

2100 is used for their UMTS service, the 900mhz band they use I actually have no idea where that came from and google is failing me if anyone knows

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#436468 7-Feb-2011 19:08

Beccara:
ajw:
kyhwana2:
ajw:

Steve I believe the Maoris have made a claim with the Waitangi tribunal that this radio spectrum be given to them rather than being auctioned. As you are aware LTE can be used on a multitude of different frequency bands.

I'm not sure how they can claim radio frequencies, they didn't even know they existed at the time!
This will be super-messed up if they get it and it ends up holding up the LTE roll out.

Wether there are any unallocated frequencies that LTE can run on will be interesting. The other problem is that you need phones/hardware that work on the frequencies that VFNZ/XT end up getting.

Remember back in 2000/2001 when the then Labour Govt was auctioning off 3G 2100MHZ radio spectrum the Maoris demanded a free slice of this spectrum. The govt ignored their demands but gave them a 5% discount and $5million of seed money to Hautaki. That company is now called 2 degrees mobile.

2100 is used for their UMTS service, the 900mhz band they use I actually have no idea where that came from and google is failing me if anyone knows

A portion of 900MHZ spectrum was sold to them by Vfone (after being pressured to do so by David Cunliffe) and the 1800MHZ spectrum they have was bought in a spectrum auction. I believe they also have some WIMAX radio spectrum.

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#436469 7-Feb-2011 19:09

ajw:What makes me laugh HSPA+ has not even been deployed in urban areas.

Sorry you are incorrect Vodafone has deployed HSPA+ along with HSPA+ DC (dual carrier) on 42mbps which is live

Here is speedtest done on the live 3G+DC network

http://ow.ly/i/7sju

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#436472 7-Feb-2011 19:11

johnr:
ajw:What makes me laugh HSPA+ has not even been deployed in urban areas.

Sorry you are incorrect Vodafone has deployed HSPA+ along with HSPA+ DC (dual carrier) on 42mbps which is live

John

In all areas of the country John.

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#436473 7-Feb-2011 19:12

ajw:
johnr:
ajw:What makes me laugh HSPA+ has not even been deployed in urban areas.

Sorry you are incorrect Vodafone has deployed HSPA+ along with HSPA+ DC (dual carrier) on 42mbps which is live

John

In all areas of the country John.

No not all of the country you mentioned Urban

The DC network is still getting built out today but is live in many places

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#436474 7-Feb-2011 19:12

ajw:
Remember back in 2000/2001 when the then Labour Govt was auctioning off 3G 2100MHZ radio spectrum the Maoris demanded a free slice of this spectrum. The govt ignored their demands but gave them a 5% discount and $5million of seed money to Hautaki. That company is now called 2 degrees mobile.

Good thing the government ignored their whinging for more free stuff, then!

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