Has piracy REALLY been halved?

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#106434 24-Jul-2012 10:32

....or is it now just being done via means other than bit torrent?

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-18953353

For example...how many people now share files directly - on USB sticks and company LANs - or use various tools to strip MP3 audio out of streaming music video?

...or any of a number of other methods..... any of which fall outside the scope of what this story purports to have measured.

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#660856 24-Jul-2012 10:39

I just switched to using a seedbox that I share with 6-7 other people. So no, it hasn't. ;)

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#660857 24-Jul-2012 10:40

This report has more detail: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/four-in-10-kiwis-still-flout-piracy-laws-4979767.

The source report data might be available on the MED website.

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#660861 24-Jul-2012 10:42

Of course it has. You can read the full report at the Disreali Institute for Statistical Studies.

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#660873 24-Jul-2012 11:06

SaltyNZ: Of course it has. You can read the full report at the Disreali Institute for Statistical Studies.

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#660891 24-Jul-2012 11:25

What else are the parties with the vested interest going to say...

What we'd really like to hear them say is:
'You'll see from our end of year financials that turnover in the 3rd quarter increased by 50% once the regulation was passed."
(Guy in background delivers a truck load of Tui)

As if these folk do really actually know the level of illegal copying and piracy. They probably only see people are ripping them (off) when they leave their Ivory towers to go down to the bank to steal the pens. ;-)

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#660894 24-Jul-2012 11:31

The flip side of that same article is that 40% of New Zealanders admit to downloading. Now, theoretically, if 40% of the population admit to actively engaging in an action that makes them a criminal, a democratic government would change the law.

Will ours? I won't be holding my breath.

But with megacorporations attempting to lock down more and more of human knowledge & culture so they can monetise it, I see the day coming sooner or later when this issue will be every bit as important as women's suffrage, or black or gay rights were in their day.

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#660910 24-Jul-2012 11:46

The problem here is the source of the statistics. They come from RIANZ who haven't appeared to publish any of their data or even where they got these numbers from.

To work out a percentage drop in something you would probably need to know what the original rate was. Since this activity is illicit it is difficult to accurately know at what rate Kiwis have been pirating copyrighted content. I think the numbers are similar to what is being published overseas; they come from some sort of pseudo-random number generator.

Now, knowing what we know about international piracy; the FBI and other various governmental institutions all over the world have conducted dozens of raids on the top of the piracy pyramid. They have claimed massive effect on that particular group of people after hauling in hundreds of terabytes worth of data and millions of dollars worth of server equipment. From my own observations, this has not even made a dent in the flow of illicit content - it has only increased.

My semi-educated guess on the matter is that the law and RIANZ has had little to no effect and will not in the future.

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#660915 24-Jul-2012 11:50

I would be interested in seeing the outcomes of the judgements on the cases mentioned in the last sentence of that article.

"Fifty-eight of its 2766 infringement notices had been challenged by internet users, but it had adjudged only two of those challenges "valid"."

I wonder what has been judged as a valid challenge?

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#660927 24-Jul-2012 11:59

SaltyNZ: women's suffrage, or black or gay rights were in their day.

God it must have been hell to be a gay, black, woman.

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#660962 24-Jul-2012 12:34

1080p: I would be interested in seeing the outcomes of the judgements on the cases mentioned in the last sentence of that article.

Most court documentation is online. Check the nz courts website.

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#660963 24-Jul-2012 12:35

To be RIANZ are all talk, no fact, and no action.

The fact there were 3 people who received 3 s92 notices and yet had no action taken againt them shows we have a functuional working law, with a body who couldn't even be bothered taking a case to the copyright tribunal. Why not? Well they're not interested in telling anyway. Instead they're just wanting fees dropped so they can send more notices.

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#660977 24-Jul-2012 13:12

Too bad they haven't published any decisions yet: http://www.justice.govt.nz/tribunals/copyright-tribunal/search-nzlii-nzcopyt

I'm not sure on what to search for information on challenged notices. Anyone else have any luck?

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#660978 24-Jul-2012 13:13

sbiddle: To be RIANZ are all talk, no fact, and no action.

The fact there were 3 people who received 3 s92 notices and yet had no action taken against them shows we have a functional working law, with a body who couldn't even be bothered taking a case to the copyright tribunal. Why not? Well they're not interested in telling anyway. Instead they're just wanting fees dropped so they can send more notices.

But they're interested enough to start lobbying the Gov to get then cost of getting the IPS to trace that address to go from $25 to $2. If this happens it will be open season on everyone guilty or not..

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#660987 24-Jul-2012 13:25

$25 is cheap, as that probably doesn't cover the ISPs costs anyway in administering it. Perhaps if these music/video companies also dropped their prices for buying music/dvds by the same amount there could be a deal struck?

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#661051 24-Jul-2012 14:51

the Companies are against lowering the charges , read somewhere that it cost Telecom half a million $ to process all the notices it was asked to, in fact they said it should go up to $100 a notice to cover there costs.

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