GCSB Bill and withdrawl of services by Microsoft,Google,Yahoo

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#127384 8-Aug-2013 14:16

Hello all,
In a stuff.co.nz article Microsoft,Google and other internet services say they may be forced to withdraw services from nz if the GCSB Bill passes.So will they really do that and leave everyone in nz who uses Windows,Google,Youtube and Yahoo without support and access to their services?

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#873904 8-Aug-2013 14:48

Unfortunately that's a hollow threat and the government knows it. I'm not sure why you would make a threat you're so transparently not going to follow through on.

It would be utterly incredible if they did, though. John Q. Public would backlash so hard so fast the National Party would be sling-shot into the sun.

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#873906 8-Aug-2013 14:53

SaltyNZ: Unfortunately that's a hollow threat and the government knows it. I'm not sure why you would make a threat you're so transparently not going to follow through on.

It would be utterly incredible if they did, though. John Q. Public would backlash so hard so fast the National Party would be sling-shot into the sun.

So what you're saying Microsoft and the others are saying they'll withdraw services but they're not actually going to do it?

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#873910 8-Aug-2013 15:01

Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ: Unfortunately that's a hollow threat and the government knows it. I'm not sure why you would make a threat you're so transparently not going to follow through on.

It would be utterly incredible if they did, though. John Q. Public would backlash so hard so fast the National Party would be sling-shot into the sun.

So what you're saying Microsoft and the others are saying they'll withdraw services but they're not actually going to do it?

I dunno... The compliance requirements and lawful intercept requirements of the new GCSB law are going to be an interesting one thinking about how Skype, iMessage, Google Talk all work. The other interesting wrinkle is how the GCSB get to review and set standards on critical pieces of infrastructure, which potentially those cloud services could come under if they have a physical presence in NZ. NZ isn't exactly a huge market for them so they could just say the compliance costs are too high and pull out certain services. I would say Skype and to a lesser degree iMessage would be the two that would have the most significant political damage to the National Party.

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#873912 8-Aug-2013 15:03

Techwarrior:
SaltyNZ: Unfortunately that's a hollow threat and the government knows it. I'm not sure why you would make a threat you're so transparently not going to follow through on.

It would be utterly incredible if they did, though. John Q. Public would backlash so hard so fast the National Party would be sling-shot into the sun.

So what you're saying Microsoft and the others are saying they'll withdraw services but they're not actually going to do it?

Exactly. They already have to comply with this stuff in other places -- for the NSA and GCHQ, for example -- so they already have the capabilities in place to do it. It may require a little tweaking, but that's all. They're not going to pull out of NZ over this.

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#873914 8-Aug-2013 15:06

The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

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#873915 8-Aug-2013 15:07

plambrechtsen: I would say Skype and to a lesser degree iMessage would be the two that would have the most significant political damage to the National Party.

Well, as I said, I'd cheer them on if they did, but I can't see it happening. If I was in charge, and I was going to be making threats like that, I'd do it somewhere it really mattered. Imagine the chaos if Google shut themselves down in the US for just one day and made sure everybody knew why it happened.

As an aside, that kind of behaviour is why we used to have media ownership limitation laws. In this case it would be a force for good, but it could equally be used the other way.

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#873916 8-Aug-2013 15:10

KiwiNZ: The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

So nz is going to end up in the dark with no support or updates for Windows and no access to Goggle,Gmail,Youtube,Yahoo and Yahoo Mail?

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#873917 8-Aug-2013 15:12

Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ: The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

So nz is going to end up in the dark with no support or updates for Windows and no access to Goggle,Gmail,Youtube,Yahoo and Yahoo Mail?

I don't have a crystal ball, the threats maybe bluff or they may decide that it's just not worth the hassle to do business here.

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#873919 8-Aug-2013 15:14

KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ: The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

So nz is going to end up in the dark with no support or updates for Windows and no access to Goggle,Gmail,Youtube,Yahoo and Yahoo Mail?

I don't have a crystal ball, the threats maybe bluff or they may decide that it's just not worth the hassle to do business here.

They already have to comply with the NSA in the USA and the GCHQ in the United Kingdom.Don't see why they can;t do the same with the GCSB.

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#873923 8-Aug-2013 15:20

Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ: The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

So nz is going to end up in the dark with no support or updates for Windows and no access to Goggle,Gmail,Youtube,Yahoo and Yahoo Mail?

I don't have a crystal ball, the threats maybe bluff or they may decide that it's just not worth the hassle to do business here.

They already have to comply with the NSA in the USA and the GCHQ in the United Kingdom.Don't see why they can;t do the same with the GCSB.

Compliance with any statute takes human, material and fiscal resources, if they are drawing minimal returns from NZ then they may decide to cut and run. The UK and US market places are huge compared to NZ, we are equivalent to a rounding error.

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#873936 8-Aug-2013 15:22

KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ: The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

So nz is going to end up in the dark with no support or updates for Windows and no access to Goggle,Gmail,Youtube,Yahoo and Yahoo Mail?

I don't have a crystal ball, the threats maybe bluff or they may decide that it's just not worth the hassle to do business here.

They already have to comply with the NSA in the USA and the GCHQ in the United Kingdom.Don't see why they can;t do the same with the GCSB.

Compliance with any statute takes human, material and fiscal resources, if they are drawing minimal returns from NZ then they may decide to cut and run. The UK and US market places are huge compared to NZ, we are equivalent to a rounding error.

If they do there's going to be alot of ****ed off Windows,Google and Yahoo users in nz!

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#873939 8-Aug-2013 15:32

Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ: The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

So nz is going to end up in the dark with no support or updates for Windows and no access to Goggle,Gmail,Youtube,Yahoo and Yahoo Mail?

I don't have a crystal ball, the threats maybe bluff or they may decide that it's just not worth the hassle to do business here.

They already have to comply with the NSA in the USA and the GCHQ in the United Kingdom.Don't see why they can;t do the same with the GCSB.

Compliance with any statute takes human, material and fiscal resources, if they are drawing minimal returns from NZ then they may decide to cut and run. The UK and US market places are huge compared to NZ, we are equivalent to a rounding error.

If they do there's going to be alot of ****ed off Windows,Google and Yahoo users in nz!

Could well be.

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#873942 8-Aug-2013 15:36

Techwarrior: Hello all,
In a stuff.co.nz article Microsoft,Google and other internet services say they may be forced to withdraw services from nz if the GCSB Bill passes.So will they really do that and leave everyone in nz who uses Windows,Google,Youtube and Yahoo without support and access to their services?

Quote to the article please?

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#873944 8-Aug-2013 15:37

KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ:
Techwarrior:
KiwiNZ: The reality is the loss of the NZ market place for those Corporations would have a minute impact on the bottom line.

So nz is going to end up in the dark with no support or updates for Windows and no access to Goggle,Gmail,Youtube,Yahoo and Yahoo Mail?

I don't have a crystal ball, the threats maybe bluff or they may decide that it's just not worth the hassle to do business here.

They already have to comply with the NSA in the USA and the GCHQ in the United Kingdom.Don't see why they can;t do the same with the GCSB.

Compliance with any statute takes human, material and fiscal resources, if they are drawing minimal returns from NZ then they may decide to cut and run. The UK and US market places are huge compared to NZ, we are equivalent to a rounding error.

If they do there's going to be alot of ****ed off Windows,Google and Yahoo users in nz!

Could well be.

But ****ed off users=bad PR and i thought Microsoft and the others want to avoid that?

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#873946 8-Aug-2013 15:40

Klipspringer:
Techwarrior: Hello all,
In a stuff.co.nz article Microsoft,Google and other internet services say they may be forced to withdraw services from nz if the GCSB Bill passes.So will they really do that and leave everyone in nz who uses Windows,Google,Youtube and Yahoo without support and access to their services?

Quote to the article please?

Here's a quote i found"Online services might withdraw from the country, the US-based software giant said".

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