Geekzone: technology news, blogs, forums
Guest
Welcome Guest.
You haven't logged in yet. If you don't have an account you can register now.




1612 posts

Uber Geek


# 208451 12-Feb-2017 18:25
Send private message

Review of Telecommunications Act 2001

 

Main points:

 

Copper: no longer regulated in fibre areas. So that means price can be increased or the whole network shutdown. Outside fibre areas copper still regulated, price capped at 2019 levels.

 

Fibre: only Chorus will be regulated. Revenue cap plus price cap on anchor products. Two anchor products: 100/20 and voice only. LFCs not subject to price regulation. GPON unbundling available, but no price cap.


View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic
 1 | 2 | 3
2133 posts

Uber Geek


  # 1719047 12-Feb-2017 18:39
3 people support this post
Send private message

How could it possibly be OK to only regulate Chorus fibre? Doesn't sound fair OR legal to me.




Location: Dunedin

 


22647 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1719049 12-Feb-2017 18:40
Send private message

Because they own the copper that will be getting turned off in those areas, so have an incentive to not compete with themselves when putting fiber in, whereas the other LFCs will be all over making the copper network redundant. Chorus can just go "meh, too hard" and leave the copper on and still get money?





Richard rich.ms

 
 
 
 


4967 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted

  # 1719050 12-Feb-2017 18:43
Send private message

Switched off our copper over a year ago. smile


626 posts

Ultimate Geek


  # 1719051 12-Feb-2017 18:47
Send private message

How long will it be economically viable for Chorus to maintain copper lines as more and more users switch to fibre?

 

Walking along our dead end street it looks like about 18 of the 30 houses have fibre. A few houses have even had the copper disconnected from the house and the wires are twisted around the power poles.

 

 


2133 posts

Uber Geek


  # 1719052 12-Feb-2017 18:49
Send private message

I meant to say it should ALL be regulated. What's to stop other providers upping the price when copper is pulled.

Fibre: only Chorus will be regulated. Revenue cap plus price cap on anchor products. Two anchor products: 100/20 and voice only.

Doesn't sound like an incentive to replace copper to me, quite the opposite.




Location: Dunedin

 


4409 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1719055 12-Feb-2017 18:58
4 people support this post
Send private message

Setting a drop dead date for copper is a good idea because it will put pressure on landlords to get fibre into their properties. At the moment a lot of them are probably thinking that it's just too hard.




1612 posts

Uber Geek


  # 1719058 12-Feb-2017 19:11
Send private message

andrewNZ:

Fibre: only Chorus will be regulated. Revenue cap plus price cap on anchor products. Two anchor products: 100/20 and voice only.

Doesn't sound like an incentive to replace copper to me, quite the opposite.

 

You missed the part where copper prices are not regulated inside fibre areas.

 

If an area has no fibre Chorus can only charged the capped price for copper.

 

When Chorus build fibre in a copper, they can charge whatever prices they like for copper in that area.

 

 

 

Also, the fibre revenue cap is calculated roughly like this:

 

maximum allowable revenue = total capital invested in fibre * x% (where x is yet to be defined)

 

This means the more they invest in fibre, the more revenue they are allowed to take in.

 

 

 

 

 

andrewNZ: I meant to say it should ALL be regulated. What's to stop other providers upping the price when copper is pulled.

 

Chorus doesn't have incentive to pull copper in places where another company has fibre. On the contrary they might upgrade the copper further to compete.


 
 
 
 


22647 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1719066 12-Feb-2017 19:35
8 people support this post
Send private message

alasta:

 

Setting a drop dead date for copper is a good idea because it will put pressure on landlords to get fibre into their properties. At the moment a lot of them are probably thinking that it's just too hard.

 

 

Only if they remove any ability for neighbours, body corps and others from impeding a copper for fiber direct swap out. Once that can happen, and installs are at a realistic timeframe in an area then let them go for gold with the copper price hikes and removal. When even one person in the area is unable to move to fiber either because chorus call it too hard to install or whatever then keep the copper prices down.





Richard rich.ms

1408 posts

Uber Geek


  # 1719093 12-Feb-2017 20:59
Send private message

^ yes I believe that is all considered in the proposal under the "minimum customer protection requirements"

 

http://www.mbie.govt.nz/info-services/sectors-industries/technology-communications/communications/regulating-the-telecommunications-sector/review-of-the-telecommunications-act-2001/further-consultation-on-fixed-line-communications-services/regulatory-impact-statement.pdf#page=28

 

 

 

Also I thought we would be getting 100/50 by 2019 how come it is now 100/20.

3909 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  # 1719139 12-Feb-2017 23:32
Send private message

Opinions after a brief read is that it must have been written by Chrous and them the MBIE branding put on, because it's sure as heck not consumer friendly. 

 

Ditching the TSO can't be permitted, sure it could do with some updates, but free local calling and regulated low prices must stay. The TSO exists to protect consumers wallets, not line chorus shareholders.

 

Chorus should only be allowed to withdraw copper by attrition (e.g. not accepting new customers in fibre areas). They should not be able to withdraw services if customers wish to retain them. MBIE saying that noone will be using copper based alarm/health monitoring equipment or faxes in 2020 is wishful thinking. I could possibly be persuaded to let Chorus withdraw services if it upgrades any equipment not compatible with fibre/VOIP at it's cost (e.g. give people new alarm systems), but even then I'm not really keen.

 

Really feels like it's a proposal for more government welfare for Chorus, not a proposal to protect the interests of consumers.

 

 





Information wants to be free. The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.


5090 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1719166 13-Feb-2017 07:06
5 people support this post
Send private message

"Free local calling" is not free local calling. It's unlimited local calling for $50-ish a month assuming you only have a landline and nothing else. For around the same price you can get unlimited calling to anywhere in NZ and Australia on mobile. There may still be the 0.1% population who have a copper phone line and can't get mobile service right now, but if they're that far out that they still won't have mobile service in 2020 then they're probably better off with satellite. If you're in an area where Chorus is withdrawing copper because they have fibre, you are not that 0.1%.

 

I'm all for letting Chorus withdraw copper wherever they've got fibre. If were up to me I'd be aiming to have every copper service converted to fibre by 2020!





iPad Pro 11" + iPhone XS + 2degrees 4tw!

 

These comments are my own and do not represent the opinions of 2degrees.


22647 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1719168 13-Feb-2017 07:35
2 people support this post
Send private message

Was there this many people upset when telex service went away that people would have to upgrade to fax machines?





Richard rich.ms

3909 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  # 1719206 13-Feb-2017 08:37
Send private message

Honestly the changes don't really impact me personally, for my needs I could care less.. However it is likely to have a disproportionate impact on the poor and the elderly who's needs are vastly different from mine, and I see no good reason why Chorus should be allowed to save money at their expense.





Information wants to be free. The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.


22647 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Subscriber

  # 1719212 13-Feb-2017 08:47
Send private message

If there is an issue with poor people then it should be addressed thru work and income, they already provide funding for a phone for people who are job seeking and do not have one. Not up to chorus to operate as a charity to these people when it is something the welfare state should be providing.





Richard rich.ms

3909 posts

Uber Geek

Trusted
Lifetime subscriber

  # 1719215 13-Feb-2017 08:55
One person supports this post
Send private message

richms:

 

If there is an issue with poor people then it should be addressed thru work and income, they already provide funding for a phone for people who are job seeking and do not have one. Not up to chorus to operate as a charity to these people when it is something the welfare state should be providing.

 

 

I don't think I could disagree more. I've been calling for Telecom, and then post split Chorus, to be run as a not for profit community trust like various lines trusts for years. At a minimum as long as they have a government issued monopoly (or near monopoly) they should be regulated to limit profits, and put consumers first. Any day a Chorus shareholder is happy, is not a good day for the people of NZ.





Information wants to be free. The Net interprets censorship as damage and routes around it.


 1 | 2 | 3
View this topic in a long page with up to 500 replies per page Create new topic



Switch your broadband provider now - compare prices


Twitter and LinkedIn »



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when new discussions are posted in our forums:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when news items and blogs are posted in our frontpage:



Follow us to receive Twitter updates when tech item prices are listed in our price comparison site:





News »

Chorus to launch Hyperfibre service
Posted 18-Nov-2019 15:00


Microsoft launches first Experience Center worldwide for Asia Pacific in Singapore
Posted 13-Nov-2019 13:08


Disney+ comes to LG Smart TVs
Posted 13-Nov-2019 12:55


Spark launches new wireless broadband "Unplan Metro"
Posted 11-Nov-2019 08:19


Malwarebytes overhauls flagship product with new UI, faster engine and lighter footprint
Posted 6-Nov-2019 11:48


CarbonClick launches into Digital Marketplaces
Posted 6-Nov-2019 11:42


Kordia offers Microsoft Azure Peering Service
Posted 6-Nov-2019 11:41


Spark 5G live on Auckland Harbour for Emirates Team New Zealand
Posted 4-Nov-2019 17:30


BNZ and Vodafone partner to boost NZ Tech for SME
Posted 31-Oct-2019 17:14


Nokia 7.2 available in New Zealand
Posted 31-Oct-2019 16:24


2talk launches Microsoft Teams Direct Routing product
Posted 29-Oct-2019 10:35


New Breast Cancer Foundation app puts power in Kiwi women's hands
Posted 25-Oct-2019 16:13


OPPO Reno2 Series lands, alongside hybrid noise-cancelling Wireless Headphones
Posted 24-Oct-2019 15:32


Waikato Data Scientists awarded $13 million from the Government
Posted 24-Oct-2019 15:27


D-Link launches Wave 2 Unified Access Points
Posted 24-Oct-2019 15:07



Geekzone Live »

Try automatic live updates from Geekzone directly in your browser, without refreshing the page, with Geekzone Live now.


Support Geekzone »

Our community of supporters help make Geekzone possible. Click the button below to join them.

Support Geezone on PressPatron



Are you subscribed to our RSS feed? You can download the latest headlines and summaries from our stories directly to your computer or smartphone by using a feed reader.

Alternatively, you can receive a daily email with Geekzone updates.