Sharing Cell Towers

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#43765 22-Oct-2009 06:34

I was listening to someone from 2degrees the other day talking about how companies that have cellphone towers should be forced to share their cell phone towers with other companies. Thus reducing the number of cell phone towers in the community and enabling greater competition in the market place. Apparently the RMA process for new towers is a big hurdle for new entrants.

On face value I thought this seemed to be a good idea and would mean less of these sometimes controversial towers in the community and a more efficient industry. Is there anything I'm missing?

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#265904 22-Oct-2009 06:37

This has been in place for many months now after 2degrees spent years lobbying the government.

And ironically both Telecom and Vodafone spent millions putting both the systems and processes in place to support this and 2degrees have virtually ignored this and chosen to build their own sites rather than co-site.

You can see Vodafone's public report on co-siting here - some lucky guy gets the job of publishing a report every month that has 0 co-siting applications.

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#265914 22-Oct-2009 07:16

Vodafone / Telecom bent over backwards for 2D and they go and build their own masts

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#265919 22-Oct-2009 07:32

Found as article that seems to explain it. http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/it-telcos/2492323/2degrees-co-location-plans-stalled

Seems the RMA got in the way and the towers were not tall enough.

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#265923 22-Oct-2009 07:39

Well 2D should have noticed that when they drove around NZ taking photos of towers

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#266163 22-Oct-2009 17:25

RockResearch: Found as article that seems to explain it. http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/it-telcos/2492323/2degrees-co-location-plans-stalled

Seems the RMA got in the way and the towers were not tall enough.

Height isn't really a significant issue.

The biggest issue is that a large number of modern sites simply aren't designed for large numbers of panels. The modern cylindrical sites that both Telecom and Vodafone are using along with the standard mast that 2deg are using for 90% of their sites are simply not capable of supporting more than 3 sectorised panels. This means there simply is no room to bolt on panels for another provider.

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#266168 22-Oct-2009 18:02

Two Degrees (or NZ Comms as it was then) demanded a regulation be put in place because the dirty incumbents were blocking it from co-locating.

So we bent over backwards, as JohnR says, to get co-lo in place.

Last time round we offered Two Degrees co-location on around 116 sites that it chose. We went to the land owners, we organised the consents, we got everything in place.

Two Degrees chose not to co-locate on any of them. It decided that, as we'd all been saying all along, the towers Vodafone and Telecom put up aren't always in the best place for the Two Degrees' network and the towers we put up are designed (as per the Resource Management Act) to have a minimal impact on the environment. In other words, they're too small.

The towers we put up in urban areas are monopoles, those things that look like lamposts, and aren't big enough for co-lo.

For Two Degrees to cry foul in a select committee about how the other networks won't play fair is farcical and not a tad annoying.

Any time you're ready to co-locate, Two Degrees, you know where we are. I'm sure you've got Telecom's phone numbers too if you want to talk to them. We're more than ready to co-locate. As Steve says (and as the Commerce Commission reminded you) we've all spent a fortune getting systems in place for you to co-locate on our networks. Stop blaming us because you've decided not to.

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#271587 10-Nov-2009 11:13

I heard that 2D had a whole lot of trouble gaining the appropriate access to the sites making co-location an unrealistic proposition...?

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#271605 10-Nov-2009 12:16

slippers: I heard that 2D had a whole lot of trouble gaining the appropriate access to the sites making co-location an unrealistic proposition...?

Read Paul's reply just above yours...

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#271659 10-Nov-2009 14:46

Slight off topic question for PaulB from Voda Phone (Vodafone), why do you call them two degrees when they seem to be going by the name of 2degrees. Are you talking about the same company or something else?

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#271666 10-Nov-2009 15:05

Two Degrees is the company (Two Degrees Mobile Limited) and 2degrees is the branding. He would refer to them as Two Degrees as he is referring to the company.

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#271667 10-Nov-2009 15:07

browned: Slight off topic question for PaulB from Voda Phone (Vodafone), why do you call them two degrees when they seem to be going by the name of 2degrees. Are you talking about the same company or something else?

What do you think?