Watch that measures blood oxygen saturation 24 hours a day? (apple watch with android device?)

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#3253517 26-Jun-2024 15:33

To me the Venu looks pretty similar to the Forerunner 265 and 965. The main difference is that the Venu is slightly compromised on athletic features in favour of the ability to act as a bluetooth mic/speaker for your phone. From memory the Venu3 has the elevate5 sensor, compared with the elevate4 sensor on the Forerunner series. It's also worth noting that the Venu3 supports open water swimming which was not available on the Venu2.

For hunting and fishing you might want to consider the Instinct series as a more suitable alternative to the above.

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#3253519 26-Jun-2024 15:46

alasta:

For hunting and fishing you might want to consider the Instinct series as a more suitable alternative to the above.

aggh ok, I know the high end freediving watch is like $2k, so a little out of my price range haha.

I had a look a Sleep tracking of SP02 and it looks perfectly suitable for gathering a general perspective. Of course one cant replace any of these for a medical grade device. My finger sensor might be accurate but I cant track it during my sleep with this.

The tactical colour way looks good. The instinct still has the Pulse Ox, which can be seen in more detailed paired with a phone. Its quite similar to the Galaxy watch feature.

I think the issue wit Garmin watches will be I need the soft cloth bands for sleeping or I just cant wear them.

But plenty of choices,

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#3253525 26-Jun-2024 16:04

TeaLeaf:

Edit: no it looks like the Samsung Watch in NZ also doesnt have SP02....

Samsung watches have SP02 but it only measures while you are sleeping and when you manually ask it to measure.

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#3253526 26-Jun-2024 16:05

Does anyone own a watch like the galaxy that detects and records snoring times (even audio lol)?

Im not sure how it could tell who in the bed is snoring etc.

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Samsung watches have SP02 but it only measures while you are sleeping and when you manually ask it to measure.

Yeh I watched a video on it, its pretty impressive for a "general" idea for sleep health etc, I like how you can see it in more detail on the phone app. Cheers. Im starting to sway toward the galaxy app as much as I prefer devices I can control personal data collection on, like with a Pixel and Graphene. But I dont think I will find that level of privacy on any health watch.....

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#3253528 26-Jun-2024 16:05

One of the challenges of the Instinct series is the size. Depending on how you look at it, it could be a positive (Outdoors hunting, fishing, tramping etc...). However if you're looking for SPO2 sleep tracking the Instinct could feel like a boat anchor strapped to your wrist. while trying to nod off. I certainly notice the size and heft of my Fenix when sleeping but the Instinct is quite a bit bigger again.

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#3253531 26-Jun-2024 16:12

Senecio:

One of the challenges of the Instinct series is the size. Depending on how you look at it, it could be a positive (Outdoors hunting, fishing, tramping etc...). However if you're looking for SPO2 sleep tracking the Instinct could feel like a boat anchor strapped to your wrist. while trying to nod off. I certainly notice the size and heft of my Fenix when sleeping but the Instinct is quite a bit bigger again.

Precisely, but I do appreciate the outdoors focus of it, I dont think I can get an all in one watch, more specifically something light weight like the Galaxy watch with the cloth sleep strap.

I may look into a Garmin in the summer when I tend to get out more often.

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#3253537 26-Jun-2024 16:41

I have a Garmin Fenix 7 pro, it does support all day monitoring, but unless you are still when it tries to take the reading it will fail or be wildly inaccurate. (It fails half the time if you move a little while manually doing it)

Also if you haven't been sitting for a couple of minutes and have you wrist above waist high it warns it will be inaccurate.

I assume the Venu will be similar.

You can look up some results a bit on the device, has a Pulse Ox graph for the day and the past week on the watch, but most of the data is in the app.

Sleep tracks:

Awake / restlessness / level of sleep

Heart rate

Pulse Ox

Respiration

HRV

Nothing mentioned about snoring though.

Stupid money, but up to 25 days of battery life using it just as a watch / fitness tracking if it gets a bit of sun.

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#3253542 26-Jun-2024 16:55

SirisLeOsiris:

I have a Garmin Fenix 7 pro, it does support all day monitoring

I only ever wear my actual watches as jewelry, but I would be inclined to where a garmin on the water or in the bush. I just hate straps on my wrist.

I like the Garmin Golf app. :-)

So another possibility is the Galaxy Ring when it is released. Which will measure all the usuals, possibly more accurately Im not sure. Couple months away from release.

It must use an on phone app for storing and presenting data, I wonder if thats the current Galaxy health app.

If I had a Pixel with graphene I may be able to load the app from one of the alternative app stores, or even playstore if I was ok using google product.

I guess we will see. Im still considering a refurbished S23 Ultra.

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#3253565 26-Jun-2024 18:15

I hadn't worn a watch for 10 years until the Galaxy Watch 6 Classic when I started running and wanted to listen to podcasts and track my runs. And yes I also wear it at night to track my sleep and SP02.

Best purchase ever. I'm addicted to the health data and it motivates me... As in seeing my health data improve, not the watch telling me "well done"! Lol.

Watch 7 and Watch 7 Ultra are due to be announced in under 2 weeks. I'm ready for the Ultra.

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#3253637 26-Jun-2024 20:00

itxtme:
I would caution the use of watch based SpO2 monitors as a health indicator. I would also be surprised if any specialist doctor would recommend these products. A bit like a home blood pressure machine its not really a clinical indicator that a doctor would use to make adjustments to your treatment be that interventions or medications.

Having worked with SpO2 devices in a previous ~~life~~ job you get to see their limitations. You should note Heart rate from these watches uses the SpO2 reading to measure the rate of your heart by the amplitude pattern that the device produces. Movement negatively effects these devices A LOT and the best indication of a good reading is a good wave form over a sustained period of time. I know some watches show that wave form, but some dont.

Equally other factors can effect the quality of the sample , for example with the SpO2 meters we used on the finger did not work well with nail polish. Cold fingers can cause a lower reading than reality due to the vasoconstriction in your finger tips.

If you want to periodically use one to check your current level then get a finger based one, learn the wave form, sit down, and stay still then asses the results. There is a reason you dont see patients walking around hospital wards on SpO2 monitors. How useful that number will be to you I am not so sure.

that used to be the case but not so for at least the last couple of years - a current model apple watch will take an actual electrical ECG

Apple watches do proper and trusted measurements. My heart specialist endorses and recommends the tests from the device.

If you’re reading contrary, have a look at the date of the article and the specs of the device.

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#3253675 26-Jun-2024 23:10

MadEngineer: that used to be the case but not so for at least the last couple of years - a current model apple watch will take an actual electrical ECG

Apple watches do proper and trusted measurements. My heart specialist endorses and recommends the tests from the device.

If you’re reading contrary, have a look at the date of the article and the specs of the device.

I hear you, cool tech for sure. But for reading Oxygen saturations over long periods of time without wave measurement to verify what is actually being seen, is unrealistic.

To the side the ECG watch, I have seen the tech (a different method than SpO2) and it seems a great tool for a patient with Paroxysmal Atrial Fibrillation to confirm when they are having an event Or for someone who has Uncontrolled Atrial Fibrillation come and go. But it wont be placed on patients at the doctors or hospital anytime soon, and of course gives only a single view while the standard is 12. My question is I guess what value does it offer you. It can tell you your heart is fast or if is normal if its regular or irregular just by feeling your pulse.

Please do fill us in with how your specialist uses the watch in regards to your care. Like I said have been out of the health game for I guess almost 5 years now, and love tech so keen to hear how they get utilised!

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#3253717 27-Jun-2024 08:47

itxtme:

My question is I guess what value does it offer you. It can tell you your heart is fast or if is normal if its regular or irregular just by feeling your pulse.

Please do fill us in with how your specialist uses the watch in regards to your care. Like I said have been out of the health game for I guess almost 5 years now, and love tech so keen to hear how they get utilised!

I am 42 and have no health problems whatsoever, but I regularly engage in exercise with very high cardiac loads. I find the ECG feature, along with resting heart rate and heart rate recovery stats, very useful as evidence that my heart function is normal. Obviously if something is abnormal then I would value any early warning so that I can reduce my cardio training and seek professional advice.

Monitoring known cardiac health problems is completely different use case, and I understand the controversy around this in regards to sports watches.

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#3253749 27-Jun-2024 11:02

heavenlywild:

I hadn't worn a watch for 10 years until the Galaxy Watch 6 Classic when I started running and wanted to listen to podcasts and track my runs. And yes I also wear it at night to track my sleep and SP02.

Yeh, they get good reviews, I dont like I can't control the data like with a phone like a pixel by sandboxing everything. But Im sure there is a way to control data privacy.

Lots of good apps for health and sports. I like the Golf apps, although Garmin does that very well too.

Not long after the new phone the Galaxy "Ring" will be released, which looks even less intrusive.

I realised the Fitbit sense can track SP02 during sleep, so I imagine the sense2 can. But Im not sure about whether you need to pay for the app to view it on phone.

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#3253756 27-Jun-2024 11:12

Senecio:
One of the challenges of the Instinct series is the size. Depending on how you look at it, it could be a positive (Outdoors hunting, fishing, tramping etc...). However if you're looking for SPO2 sleep tracking the Instinct could feel like a boat anchor strapped to your wrist. while trying to nod off. I certainly notice the size and heft of my Fenix when sleeping but the Instinct is quite a bit bigger again.

Are you sure you're thinking of instinct, not another Garmin watch line? I recently got an instinct 2 to replace a Fenix 5 and it's smaller and much lighter.

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#3253800 27-Jun-2024 13:16

I think the depth is the most important thing for comfort while sleeping. Fenix and Instinct are both quite a bit thicker than Forerunner or Venu.

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