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Topic # 146683 26-May-2014 09:39
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Hi

I'm really struggling with music management on Android, can somebody please help me get my head around some basics, it's likely that I am coming from a different environment and can't 'get' this. Previously, I used Zune and a WinPhone.

I have about 70GB of owned music I have ripped, it's all whole albums that I have originals for that have been ripped over time, using apps like iTunes, where the full ID3 tag, Artist info, Album art, track numbers and names are correct and the music is correctly recognised by other applications and devices I have used over the years this music collection has been made. It's only whole albums, I only like to listen to whole albums in the order the songs are pressed and very rarely deviate from this.

I uploaded my music library to Google Play Music a month ago. It matched only about 60% of the music and I assume that the other 40% is stuff they don't have in their catalogue. As my phone only has a 16GB microSD, I then selected about 4GB of albums to 'save locally' by 'pinning' it in the phone interface. So far, my expectation is that those 30 or 40 albums are all I can see and listen to when I'm out and about. Some of these albums are not matched by Google as mentioned earlier. I listen to music when I work out or go walking/running etc, so I expect the music to just play as I have selected it.

Here's where it all falls apart:

1. Under 'My Library on Device' (the albums I expect are locally by my selection) I have tracks from artists and albums I have never owned, purchased or even listen to at all. They are not pinned - so I have no idea how they get to 'My Library on Device' as my understanding is that this is what it says it is.

2. The unmatched albums are being broken apart and individual tracks are being matched to other albums, for example, a various artists album that has artist1-track1, artist2-track2 etc. is being matched with another album artist2 did and I now have these items that are albums with one track floating around (not the same tracks as in #1).

3. Tracks are playing at varying volume levels across the same album. This has only been observed with albums that have been matched - for example, Green Day's American Idiot, which I ripped, which plays perfectly on my local PC copy, which is matched when uploaded, plays the first three tracks at such various volume levels, I have to stop, adjust the volume of the device and then, by track four, I get blasted out when the volume returns to normal.

4. Google "support" constantly suggests that I wipe, clear and reset my device to try again.

All I want is some albums on my device and to listen to those only as I choose. Am I asking too much, is there another way to do this? I'd prefer to not have a PC involved if I can as my desktop environment is more of a workbench and my mobile is always used as a clean work device, so the instability that my desktop environment may lend is unwelcomed. If I have to use a PC, then I would prefer an Ubuntu based music management system.

Thanks for any suggestions or help in advance, sorry for the long post, listening to music when I work is very, very important to me and I'd like to hear how others get this done or deal with Android music.


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  Reply # 1053720 26-May-2014 16:46
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Plug USB storage containing MP3s into your phone using a USB OTG adaptor then copy your music from HDD to phone memory or microSD card and play with inbuilt "Music" app.



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  Reply # 1054414 27-May-2014 16:07
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scottjpalmer: Plug USB storage containing MP3s into your phone using a USB OTG adaptor then copy your music from HDD to phone memory or microSD card and play with inbuilt "Music" app.


Seems thats how my physical life friends do this too, pity, I had really high hopes that Google would have a good, well tested, well designed solution....

 
 
 
 


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  Reply # 1054423 27-May-2014 16:15
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Try using the desktop and mobile app media monkey, which includes wireless sync. 




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  Reply # 1059585 5-Jun-2014 09:47
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Alright.

I have a Galaxy S3 Mini (it is perfect for running and has the functionality I needed).

Google Play 'support' finally came to the conslusion I am a minority and their music application does not work for me and is unsupportable in that it works for most people and therefore 'I should deal with it' (ignore the errors and problems and keep using - 'it will be 100% one day', apparently)

Local music transfer has to be done with the Keis application that comes with Samsung devices. Here's how I wasted almost 3 hours on this last night and the final solution:

1. Install Keis from Samsung website. Does not find phone. Try cable and Wifi conenction method, enabled USB debug mode, finds phone with cable but hangs application. Found evidence it may not be supported well on Vista.

2. Install Windows 7 Pro x64. Clean install except all patches and MSSE. Install Keis, same as above, it finds the phone, puts in drivers, shows USB storage and camera device, but Keis can't find phone.

3. Check Samsung website for s3 specific driver or Keis version. samsung.com has no record of any such model of phone. After f++cking around for an hour, discover that it's only called an S3 mini in Australasia. Locate samsung.co.nz S3 mini on their website, notice it has a different version of Keis.

4. D/l and install new Keis version after uninstalling newer version. Same problem.

5. Power down S3 mini, remove SIM and battery, place s3 without battery in bottom drawer.

6. Insert SIM into Lumia 800.

7. Install Zune.

8. Power up Lumia 800 and have the freedom to listen to music I own the rights to whenever, wherever I want, including wireless sync. There are no new ghost songs added to my handset today, the album art and ID3 tags are as I had captured them and no albums have been reordered or partially removed.

Thanks Geekzone for my Lumia 800, it has been a better and more reliable phone than that LG5 and S3 I tried to replace it with.

What a waste of time. The only reason I stopped using the Lumia was that it does not fit into my running gear and some key apps I had don't have full functionality, but for $20 I can get other apps that are close as match and still have music wherever, whenever I want.

Seriously, Google Play has a long way to go, I'm glad I didn't pay them any money on the way.




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  Reply # 1059697 5-Jun-2014 11:16
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Hey so can I have that s3 mini wink. But seriously, I too struggle with the Google Play Music app on my phone. I actually like the interface and I like the web version, I actually currently am subscribed to the All access (have been a little annoyed with content disappearing though and not having some new releases from major artists but that's another topic). I have an older Huawei phone which seems to really struggle with the app. It seems to want to always have to rebuild the list of music I currently have on the phone itself every time I start the app, and it is just incredibly slow to use, almost to the point where I can't actually use it as it seems to have got worse in later versions. I have been using rocket player which seems to be pretty basic but works well for locally stored content. If I'm not using the Google Play Music app to download music locally to the phone then I just use the synching in Widnows media player or drag and drop to the sd card.



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CutCutCut: Hey so can I have that s3 mini wink. But seriously, I too struggle with the Google Play Music app on my phone. I actually like the interface and I like the web version, I actually currently am subscribed to the All access (have been a little annoyed with content disappearing though and not having some new releases from major artists but that's another topic). I have an older Huawei phone which seems to really struggle with the app. It seems to want to always have to rebuild the list of music I currently have on the phone itself every time I start the app, and it is just incredibly slow to use, almost to the point where I can't actually use it as it seems to have got worse in later versions. I have been using rocket player which seems to be pretty basic but works well for locally stored content. If I'm not using the Google Play Music app to download music locally to the phone then I just use the synching in Widnows media player or drag and drop to the sd card.


It's a brand new s3 mini in the box, with all the original contents and a 16GB SDcard.

Make me an offer?

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  Reply # 1059706 5-Jun-2014 11:26
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gundar:
CutCutCut: Hey so can I have that s3 mini wink. But seriously, I too struggle with the Google Play Music app on my phone. I actually like the interface and I like the web version, I actually currently am subscribed to the All access (have been a little annoyed with content disappearing though and not having some new releases from major artists but that's another topic). I have an older Huawei phone which seems to really struggle with the app. It seems to want to always have to rebuild the list of music I currently have on the phone itself every time I start the app, and it is just incredibly slow to use, almost to the point where I can't actually use it as it seems to have got worse in later versions. I have been using rocket player which seems to be pretty basic but works well for locally stored content. If I'm not using the Google Play Music app to download music locally to the phone then I just use the synching in Widnows media player or drag and drop to the sd card.


It's a brand new s3 mini in the box, with all the original contents and a 16GB SDcard.

Make me an offer?


No I was just being cheeky, but throw it in the for sale forum and you might get a taker.

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  Reply # 1059815 5-Jun-2014 13:52
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scottjpalmer: Plug USB storage containing MP3s into your phone using a USB OTG adaptor then copy your music from HDD to phone memory or microSD card and play with inbuilt "Music" app.


In a similar vein I connected my phone (Sony Xperia Compact) to my computer, ripped my CDs using the Windows music player and copied them straight across from my computer onto my SD card.  Google Play Music picked them up straight away no problems.  

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  Reply # 1060203 6-Jun-2014 07:47
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gundar:
scottjpalmer: Plug USB storage containing MP3s into your phone using a USB OTG adaptor then copy your music from HDD to phone memory or microSD card and play with inbuilt "Music" app.


Seems thats how my physical life friends do this too, pity, I had really high hopes that Google would have a good, well tested, well designed solution....


Ok might be to late but when i was using google play music I made all my CD's etc as playlists and then pinned those playlists and that seems to work for me, the random songs might be from the free ones google gives you or already something on the phone.

I found google music ok but as I am a phone wh**e I swapped to spotify as it plays on more OS's and telecom covers it now in its plan.



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